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So, well I've been mewing for some time, and I was dumb to hard mew as I thought I was symmetrical and all, and I only mew on one side of my palate, so I have developed some serious assymetry and I don't know how to fix this, any ideas? Thank y'all
Since you are already aware that you have been mewing on one side of the palate, you now need to train yourself to favor the opposite side... which can be more difficult than what it sounds like. Go stand in front of a mirror, then tilt your head sideways until your palate is horizontally even. Try to keep your neck and shoulders neutral. From this position, practice pushing towards the side you have been ignoring up until this point. Also, rather than molding the tongue so that it fits the palate, try to rotate the palate(=head) so that it finds an even, comfortable place on on top of the tongue. How evenly the palate sits on top of the tongue tells how aligned your head is in regards to the rest of the body. A truly neutral head tilt can feel weird if you have asymmetry because the eyes will be at uneven height.
Isn't it a masseters musculature problem? I have added new pics of my profile
Also one side of my shoulder is lower obviously on the weak side, I believe i developed this overtime because of the keyboard positioning that is farther than my mouse and I just have to somehow find the right straight point of my spine, am I correct, but I just cant find this spot to mew on my weaker side as the stronger side automatically activates and I just cant feel my weaker side
Also should I sleep on my weaker side or stronger?
Isn't it a masseters musculature problem? I have added new pics of my profile
If it came from tongue posture, unlikely. If you recognize that you have been chewing years on one side of the mouth, then it could be. More often than not, masseter imbalance is a consequence, not the cause of craniofacial asymmetry. When the underlying skeletal structure is asymmetric, the musculature will automatically work asymmetrically.
So, to which side should I tilt my shoulder to find the right way to mew on this side? also on which side should I sleep, my right side is obviously better and I just cant fit my tongue between my molars on my left side
Isn't it a masseters musculature problem? I have added new pics of my profile
Also one side of my shoulder is lower obviously on the weak side, I believe i developed this overtime because of the keyboard positioning that is farther than my mouse and I just have to somehow find the right straight point of my spine, am I correct, but I just cant find this spot to mew on my weaker side as the stronger side automatically activates and I just cant feel my weaker side
Also should I sleep on my weaker side or stronger?
Yes, being on computer can easily cause such imbalance over time. Do the mirror exercise I wrote about. Try to pull your tongue along with the jaw towards the weaker side and extend your head until you succeed in activating the weaker side of the tongue. You just have to keep trying until you create the mind-muscle connection. If you are keeping your teeth together, stop that for now. Regarding sleep, you can sleep on either side, but try to maintain neutral head tilt by once again centering the palate on top of the tongue.
Alright mate, I keep trying it and I just cant build that mind body connection, I dont know if I understood correctly as english is not my native-l, Should I tilt my head to one side? When I'm tilting and trying to hard mew on one side I automatically hard mew on the other side even when I tilt. Is there any video regarding this that could explain it more simply? Also I feel that I am swallowing to the one side too. I feel that my palate is too narrow on the left side to fit with my molars, I just don't want to ruin it even more, please explain it more simply.
Tilt your head so that your upper front teeth are horizontally even. Another thing that can help is lifting your shoulders towards your ears while trying to push with the tongue. Shift your jaw around in this position too.
I wish I could be there next to you and show you, I'm afraid I can't help more than this.
i mewed my whole life with the tip of the tongue between my right incissor and canine, with therefore an unbalanced tongue posture. I have a cranial Sidebend, a canted arch, right eye higher, nice cheekbone on my right side, unexistent on the left, assymetrical hairline, assymetrical ears and every immaginable problem caused by facial assymetries. BUT i have always chewed with my left side and i chewed a lot. Still, i have no cheekbone on the left, huge temporalis muscle and my mandible is a lot smaller on the left sidee of my face.
That's litterally how big of an influance tongue posture has during your developement. unfortunatly i am 18 now, we will see what appliances such as the MSE and ALF (plus mewing OFC) can do for me plus maybe some NCR (i just started to learn about it) and if nothing works, then surgery. That's a lot of money but it's much better to invest into this than a car for exemple, that's a fair punishment for all those years of bad habits i guess...
Believe me OP, from what i've seen you aren't in such critical case, mewing alone or maybe a single appliance will probably be enough.
i mewed my whole life with the tip of the tongue between my right incissor and canine, with therefore an unbalanced tongue posture. I have a cranial Sidebend, a canted arch, right eye higher, nice cheekbone on my right side, unexistent on the left, assymetrical hairline, assymetrical ears and every immaginable problem caused by facial assymetries. BUT i have always chewed with my left side and i chewed a lot. Still, i have no cheekbone on the left, huge temporalis muscle and my mandible is a lot smaller on the left sidee of my face.
That's litterally how big of an influance tongue posture has during your developement. unfortunatly i am 18 now, we will see what appliances such as the MSE and ALF (plus mewing OFC) can do for me plus maybe some NCR (i just started to learn about it) and if nothing works, then surgery. That's a lot of money but it's much better to invest into this than a car for exemple, that's a fair punishment for all those years of bad habits i guess...
Believe me OP, from what i've seen you aren't in such critical case, mewing alone or maybe a single appliance will probably be enough.
Yes man, I begin to think that I will correct it solely by mewing. Best of luck to you!
Tilt your head so that your upper front teeth are horizontally even. Another thing that can help is lifting your shoulders towards your ears while trying to push with the tongue. Shift your jaw around in this position too.
I wish I could be there next to you and show you, I'm afraid I can't help more than this.
I have one idea and I want to ask if it will be good, should I just change my computer position to the opposite that I've been doing and then mew? Would it be good? Also should I hard mew to regain this facial symmetry? Also one more thing( gosh so many questions I am sorry) should I raise my left shoulder to ear if my left side is weaker or right shoulder to right ear?
Tilt your head so that your upper front teeth are horizontally even. Another thing that can help is lifting your shoulders towards your ears while trying to push with the tongue. Shift your jaw around in this position too.
I wish I could be there next to you and show you, I'm afraid I can't help more than this.
I have one idea and I want to ask if it will be good, (1) should I just change my computer position to the opposite that I've been doing and then mew? Would it be good? (2)Also should I hard mew to regain this facial symmetry? Also one more thing( gosh so many questions I am sorry) (3)should I raise my left shoulder to ear if my left side is weaker or right shoulder to right ear?
1. It's worth a try, but the best long term strategy would be to make your position as symmetric as possible.
2. This is up to you
3. Try both and see which feels better. Ideally though, your shoulders should hang from your trapezius muscles. You should chin tuck so that there is a slight automatic elevation of the shoulders. Without chin tuck the shoulders tend to end up hanging too low, which leads to new problems.
Okay guys I am almost now certain that it was caused by computer position and not only computer position as I had an accident that I couldn't move my left shoulder for quite a long time (because of pain) and this added additional pressure to my one sided posture and as a result automatically even when working in the gym only one sided was developing properly. Thank you all so much for your insights.
By experimenting with the things you mentioned, Progress, its seems that tilting the head toward the "melted" side is the way to go. That way the jaw is pushed toward the middle, and it seems to push the tongue into the roof of the recessed side. Do you agree?
Now the next challenge becomes walking around with a tilted head most of the time, easier said than done lol.
Since reading this thread I've become alot more conscious about my whole body position, and discovered some new things about my (bad) posture.
If you stand yourself straight, and tighten up your hamstrings and thighs, your hip will go into neutral position. So if you just stand how you would normally stand and then tighten your hamstrings you will get a good indicator if your position is twisted.
When I do it my hip goes back on the right side, and the shoulders as well. So I've come to realize my hip is a little tilted to the left side, same with my shoulders - the right shoulder goes a little forward when i relax. As if my body naturally twists a little to the left side. Therefore my relaxed head position is tilted a little to the left side, as if the head follows the direction of the body. Im terrible at explaining this, english is not my native language, but I hope it makes a little sense. Important tip is tighten the hamstrings and see what direction your body turns.
Now the question becomes how to correct this, I dont see any other options than consciously pulling my right should back in an even position, and placing my head evenly, but it seems like quite a task to do it 24/7.
Man I've been trying and trying, and it seems that I had it all figured out, well I am now more assymetrical than I was before, I just need some major help because I look terrible right now everything is lower on the left side of my body, that is how my tongue looks like in my neutral position... ( https://imgur.com/a/eCT8H9t ) I have literally tried soo many things that I am clueless now, seems like the left side of my body is overall weaker(combination of computer position, gym and injury that I had) Also it seems that the teeth to my right side is more to the front than the left side and it created some weird looking gap between my teeth that looks terrible(looks like cavity)
Man I've been trying and trying, and it seems that I had it all figured out, well I am now more assymetrical than I was before, I just need some major help because I look terrible right now everything is lower on the left side of my body, that is how my tongue looks like in my neutral position... ( https://imgur.com/a/eCT8H9t ) I have literally tried soo many things that I am clueless now, seems like the left side of my body is overall weaker(combination of computer position, gym and injury that I had) Also it seems that the teeth to my right side is more to the front than the left side and it created some weird looking gap between my teeth that looks terrible(looks like cavity)
What exactly have you been doing now that your asymmetry has worsened? The problem with trying many things in a short span of time is that you aren't getting a good picture of what works and what doesn't. Whatever you end up doing, the fundamentals should remain the same: lift the head as high as you can while engaging the jaws and the tongue in a balanced manner.
Is there any video that is explaining in a similar way to what you have tried to teach me? It would make everything clear I believe. I just cant find that sweet spot that you are trying to tell me. Should i tilt my head to the less developed side(left) or to the right?
Today I've noticed that I've been smiling to one side too so probably that caused that much assymetry, however I still haven't figured out to which side i should tilt my head when I smile because whenever I smile to one side automatically the better developed side activates, which leaves me confused
Seems that squat exercise is really helpful, I feel that it is caused by stiff rotator cuff on my left side because whenever i try to squat imagining I have a barbell in my hands my left rotator cuff hurts.
Is there any video that is explaining in a similar way to what you have tried to teach me? It would make everything clear I believe. I just cant find that sweet spot that you are trying to tell me. Should i tilt my head to the less developed side(left) or to the right?
Today I've noticed that I've been smiling to one side too so probably that caused that much assymetry, however I still haven't figured out to which side i should tilt my head when I smile because whenever I smile to one side automatically the better developed side activates, which leaves me confused
Seems that squat exercise is really helpful, I feel that it is caused by stiff rotator cuff on my left side because whenever i try to squat imagining I have a barbell in my hands my left rotator cuff hurts.
If the tilt I suggested is causing such problems and uncertainty, forget about it, it may have been a bad call on my part. It's just something I found helpful in my own case at a certain point of time. Your case may be different. I forgot to mention that often when the head is be tilted to one side, it is also shifted to the opposite side. For example, your head may be tilted to the right, and the weight of your head shifted to the left. Starecta illustrated it pretty well:
This imbalance then articulates into the rest of the body. You will probably notice that your hips, legs and spine are asymmetric in similar way as suggested above. Then it becomes a matter of reverse-engineering this pattern.
I feel absolute tension in my left shoulder( like it hasn't been used before, while with only right shoulder I can do 100 reps of this exercise), So yeah that is probably what I should improve on, I will change my phone holding position to the left hand, because I find that it helps a little bit and creates tension in my shoulder.
Does yawning change gonial angle? I mean whenever I do a movement like yawn, my left side (which is weaker) hurts and my right side(which is better and has shorter gonial angle) is completely fine and I have no pain there whatsoever.
Of course I am working on postural issues, because it is obvious that it was caused by postural imbalance.
If one side is more recessed than the other, the jaw will be uneven as well.
I find that if I place my tongue in the upper palate and seperate my teeth, the mandible will swing a little to the recessed side, and the tongue therefore exerts more pressure toward that side. It seems to me that mewing in this manner should balance things out over time.
You have s deep bite. Don’t be chewing gum. You likely pushed up part of your maxilla... if the condyle went high on one side...you can try a deprogrammer. See post on it...shows the comments of some of the risks. You can try to suck your maxilla back down. Usually your body will get it to respond if you try it. At least, my experience was such. Also...don’t hide your tongue in the posterior portion of your mouth. You have a deep bite...this means your tongue should be more forward. :-). Even Dr. Mew says so! 😉
One thing this thread hasn't talked about yet is that you absolutely must spend less time in front of the computer and more time moving in order to build a good sense of your own body. That's what Progress is talking about when he mentions the mind/body connection. Pretty much everything about mewing and oral posture depends on having a good sense of your body in space. I notice that you seem to have a lot of difficulty related to the concepts Progress mentioned, which suggests to me that your proprioceptive sense might be underdeveloped.
Body awareness is also called proprioception. It's the awareness of the position of your body in relation to itself and other objects, and it develops only through USE of the body. We develop it as little kids by running, climbing, falling down, and all that. If we have unusually sedentary habits, proprioception is likely to be poor. Like any other body capability, it degenerates with disuse and increases with use.
Poor proprioception can show up in a lot of ways; clumsiness, lack of coordination, awkward gait, dropping small objects a lot, having difficulty with rights and lefts or following physical directions, having difficulty applying an appropriate amount of force to the task at hand. People might notice that you hug them too hard, or a sexual partner might notice that you don't respond appropriately to their cues. You might find that you don't enjoy or even really notice sensations that other people expect you would find pleasurable. You might find that you tend to injure yourself whenever you do something physical, or have problems with depth perception.
Those things are all very common with people who don't spend a lot of time moving their body, and luckily the issues can be reversed. I spent my entire childhood and adolescence reading and my proprioception was very poor. It started to improve when I was pregnant (you just have to be more aware of your body when it's changing so fast) and made huge improvements when I started dancing.
The best way to develop your proprioception is to use your body. Walking is a good place to start. Walking on natural terrain (ie not on a street) can be really surprisingly difficult! Slow flow yoga or tai chi are pretty readily available online, or in live classes in a lot of communities. Oftentimes hospitals offer classes like that in community centers very affordably. Going barefoot outside and going bilateral handwork that ISN'T keyboard based are also good. (Think cooking, cleaning, gardening, playing with modeling clay, whittling, playing a musical instrument, or anything else that uses two hands and irregularly shaped objects.)
Oftentimes we assume that people have these skills, and they just don't always. We need to start further back in a lot of cases. Paying attention to these foundational body skills will help a LOT as you try to figure out your oral posture issues.
The thing is , this tooth is probably impacted and hasn't erupted(my mother says I never had any extractions), and I dont know how to fix this so I'll just go to dentist and ask.
But for real, can this contribute to the asymmetry and crossbite that I am having?
The thing is , this tooth is probably impacted and hasn't erupted(my mother says I never had any extractions), and I dont know how to fix this so I'll just go to dentist and ask.
But for real, can this contribute to the asymmetry and crossbite that I am having?
No... the asymmetry of your face is not from the non-eruption of your molar. You said it yourself - it's from Mewing. No surprise there. It's good for you to get to an orthodontist. Your top is super narrow... and probably it's from a problem with your tongue.
Well I do really think that is because of this non-erupted premolar(or whatever happened to that tooth, im gonna do some x-rays), and it's causing uneven bite meaning less masticatory force in left side and it's not even about maxilla because I have 16 teeth on maxilla, and 15 on my jaw so it starts in jaw.
It seems half the time we're chasing asymmetries. They kind of suck. Best of luck and keep us posted! I'd also check out the thread on deprogrammers to see if it might be right for you. I'd probably do that a week or two before seeing an ortho (free consults - yeah!). They can't see your condyles. OR go to a CBCT ortho. The only ones who TOUT that they help asymmetries are Vivos and LVI. And I swear it's their deprogramming that does it. Well, and Sue Lee. She's messing more with the palate... for leveling cants. The thing is.. a deprogrammer sets jaws correctly in sockets. A dentist can't even see your condyles and your musculature is likely messed up right now.
So, well I've been mewing for some time, and I was dumb to hard mew as I thought I was symmetrical and all, and I only mew on one side of my palate, so I have developed some serious assymetry and I don't know how to fix this, any ideas? Thank y'all
Man, asymmetrical faces are ugly, I think you look really great. I am sure if you just stop mewing your face will revert back to it's normal state. I am also sure if you just properly mew on both sides, the other side will naturally come back up as there will be more leverage on it.
similar to me, but the opposite. My tongue has never been able to get on the right side, only the left. And my left side is more developed, left eye higher, left cheekbones protruding, and left side wider. Right side is weaker, narrower and right eye is lower due to tongue being unable to push there. Are you right handed or left handed
@djnorbit1 no don't hard mew until you can push on both sides of palate evenly, otherwise you will further exacerbate existing assymetry. I made this very mistake myself, dont want you to fall into it
Is it toward the side that is "melted down" or the opposite?
I believe towards the opposite side. You said that you had rested your head against your left hand before (head was tilted to left), and as a result your tongue pushed more on right side and right side developed more correct?
@fknasymmetries i also have lateral strain/ side bending rotation the trick i have found to even the symmetry is to do thumbpulling on the side of palate which is more defined and has lower eyes, when you thumb pull there your palate widens that side moving your maxilla up and the other side palate adjust by coming lower and the maxilla and zygomatic of weaker side follows this will even you eyes but BEWARE this also causes your palate to be tilted even more to the stronger side, but totaly worth it as the asymmetry keeps on getting less, after you have your eyes at same level then you could thumbpull at both sides for even pressure and you'll palate will raise equally on both, i know because I tested it on myself and it works
