I have still to get the appliance but it should be here in a week or two. They have shipped it. The whole procudure is way too slow. In the meantime i believe that i have figured a way to reshape the expander during the expansion to allow for the maxilla to drop. I will try heating the acrylic with a hair drier, weakening the acrylic and hopefully making it reshape.

Update 1: I have received the appliance. It fits perfectly although it prevents me from having perfect inclusion. I expander 0.2mm just to test the appliance and I put it on. Immediately after I put it on after about 30 minutes I saw a slight gap between my 2 front teeth. This is great new because it means that my suture is wide open. I am so lucky. However after taking it off for a minute or two that gap closes again. Lol. I also noticed that after taking it off I would breath with more difficulty although that went away after a while. I am exited for the upcoming changes and I will keep you updated

@gkzzzz Hello, any updates yet?

@farrusco Hello, no I have stopped the expansion since I can't bite down with the appliance.

I also turned the bioblic stage 1 into a Schwartz since it turned out that forward expansion was only tilting my teeth.

I contacted bracesshop and that told me that the regular Schwartz could be made so that you could fully bite down but I would need to send them a lower impression kit as well.

I will send them the lower impressions and order the regular Schwartz but not now. Probably in a motlnth or so.

However the expansion was going really well, I could see a gap between my front teeth and I could instantly breath better.

I will continue it when I get the regular Schwartz.

Hey bro ur lucky to have me here as I went to the exact same experience as you, I ordered from the same website in 2021 and went through expansion by myself with biobloc 1 following the perfect rating of expansion John Mew gave me on private messages. What I learned, all lateral expansion will inevitably relapse it is almost useless. All it will achieve is teeth tipping. However with some hope in the tipping there will be some actual « bone change » however what is interesting and that is my whole point, is that the biobloc has little things you can activate to move your incisors forward well guess what I moved my incisors with it (just a little bit) and guess what after two years of chewing and mewing with the tip of my tongue the incisors actually went into a more straight position and I actually gained forward growth in the alveolar bone. My face slightly changed and I gained more lip support, almost like an AGGA transformation. I think for you the best thing to do is to try to tip the front teeth (at ur own risks) as much as you can. And then let the side expansion relapse, chew falim gum and mew with the front of the tongue to try to push your face and teeth forward, mewing results are mostly from alevolar bone remodeling from the mew’s mouth. And alveolar bone remodeling happens at any age. 

Hey the forum is not dead, thank you for sharing.

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@farrusco Hello, no I have stopped the expansion since I can't bite down with the appliance.

I also turned the bioblic stage 1 into a Schwartz since it turned out that forward expansion was only tilting my teeth.

I contacted bracesshop and that told me that the regular Schwartz could be made so that you could fully bite down but I would need to send them a lower impression kit as well.

I will send them the lower impressions and order the regular Schwartz but not now. Probably in a motlnth or so.

However the expansion was going really well, I could see a gap between my front teeth and I could instantly breath better.

I will continue it when I get the regular Schwartz.

did you have any result with these tests? I want to do basically the same both you guys done

I plan on ordering the 3 way shwarz and use it just enough so i can fit the back of my tongue while still breathing

also, what expansion method did you guys use to avoid teeth tipping? was it slow? or like mike mew suggested, the semi-rapid expansion?

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Hey bro ur lucky to have me here as I went to the exact same experience as you, I ordered from the same website in 2021 and went through expansion by myself with biobloc 1 following the perfect rating of expansion John Mew gave me on private messages. What I learned, all lateral expansion will inevitably relapse it is almost useless. All it will achieve is teeth tipping. However with some hope in the tipping there will be some actual « bone change » however what is interesting and that is my whole point, is that the biobloc has little things you can activate to move your incisors forward well guess what I moved my incisors with it (just a little bit) and guess what after two years of chewing and mewing with the tip of my tongue the incisors actually went into a more straight position and I actually gained forward growth in the alveolar bone. My face slightly changed and I gained more lip support, almost like an AGGA transformation. I think for you the best thing to do is to try to tip the front teeth (at ur own risks) as much as you can. And then let the side expansion relapse, chew falim gum and mew with the front of the tongue to try to push your face and teeth forward, mewing results are mostly from alevolar bone remodeling from the mew’s mouth. And alveolar bone remodeling happens at any age. 

for how much time did u use it? and what age are you? Im planning on ordering the 3 way shwarz https://www.bracesshop.com/product/3-way-schwarz-appliance/  

my goal is to expand enough so i can fit the back of my tongue there

would you say you had success with it? even with teeth tipping? Im thinking if a slower paced expansion would help to aovid tipping

@guiduck  Why did you 3 way shwarz appliance over Biobloc or RPE ? I also don't have enough room for my tongue in my mid and back palate. I am not sure, which expander to choose from ? I have a slight overbite (my back molars are aligned but front tooth in upper jaw is slighted forward over the lower jaw tooth, and have a slight overcrowding in the upper and lower jaw (1 tooth isnot in place)

Thanks for information