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He actually talks about how when he first got into Hollywood, casting agents told him he'd never get hired because of how bad his teeth were. He was cast in one or two things before he got veneers. Chances are he had some additional dental work during that time. Much later on, like in 2002, he got braces, which you can find a lot of photos of.
If you see him smile while showing teeth, one of his front teeth is in exact alignment with the centerline of his nose. But his face also looks like his nose is getting pulled to one direction, so I'm not sure if it's his nose, his teeth, or a combination.
I don't usually chime in on these celebrity discussions, but I wanted to add to this one as he's been open about his own insecurities and issues with his teeth, and I always found that interesting and relatable.
I think he may have learned to mew naturally around the time of Risky Business, here he is in the movie itself and the year it came out
EDIT: Ok, really didn't want to go in-depth about this (goddammit) but looking at some more pictures from 1982-1984 the change isn't super obvious after all. I still see some upswing, improved eye support and widening of the jaws. I think there might've been a natural improvement in his resting tongue position and swallowing patterns that didn't lead into full-fledged mewing right away. His bone structure seems to have gradually improved in his 20s in a way that looks natural and I don't think plastic surgery was that advanced at the time, ofc later on he probably had some done.
His midfacial bone structure was always top tier and extremely robust despite being a huge mouthbreather and despite his resultant assymetrical and retruded maxilla - that just comes down to good genetics.
Nothing has really changed about his face except for his lower jaw. If you look at his facial profile now you can see that his maxilla is still retruded but his gonions now project further back into his neck, which is common with jaw implants since they flare out and you dont have to worry about them obstructing the airway.
The gradual changes in the mandible can also be explained by surgical revisions over time - people tend to not want to go so extreme right away as to have it be obvious they got PS, and celebrities have the money to blow on multiple procedures. Implants have also definitely been advanced enough since the 80s to be efficacious and they can certainly look natural enough.
Also keep in mind that Tom Cruise is a celebrity with tons of $$$, access to the best doctors money can buy, and not a dork like us on a mewing forum spending hours face-pulling and mastering the mckenzie chin tuck and mew-push-swallow decades before such ideas were popularized 😆 Even if he was, the mandible has poor remodeling potential past a certain age so I highly doubt he was able to make it wide, with flared gonions given his starting point.
Yeah I think you're right, upon further inspection his face does look rather fake, especially the cheekbones that emerge out of nowhere in the mid-80s and his chin looks filled etc. Just wanted to entertain the possibility you know, for the sake of not being cynical all the time. I don't think it's as silly as you make it out to be, I think increased exertion, a work environment and social status that demand good body posture and possibly dental work, incremental improvements in tongue posture could happen on their own, eventually inducing the functionality that used to naturally occur in humans over millions of years. Or maybe that's a dumb idea, I've been wondering if any cases like that exist.
His cheekbones and midfacial bones have always been prominent and very well developed - this is DESPITE his maxillary retrusion. They only look more prominent because of age-related subcutaneous facial fat loss and slimming down in general.
I wouldn’t say it’s silly but what you’re suggesting is highly, highly unlikely. No amount of exertion, posture, braces and social status are going to give you those kinds of width gains on your mandible since, unlike the maxilla, it doesnt have sutures along which growth can occur, and remodeling potential is severely decreased in adulthood.
Yeah it's interesting. I usually wouldn't post celebrity stuff either but I actually have a very similar shape to his young 'un-chiseled' face like in the first photo. I also have a very similar profile (nose size and shape). It's a shame because had I had proper facial development and bone growth I probably would look more like the second picture. Oh well! hahaha
I think the other posters have figured it out but I want to note as well that it's unlikely he mewed because if you look his midface ratio didn't change at all.
I've seen a lot of discussion online about Tom Cruise's deviated dental midline. Looking closely, you can find a number of other facial asymmetries. His occlusal plane looks to be canted just slightly higher on the left. The bridge of his nose seems to be shifted slightly left of his interpupillary midline, and his nasolabial fold joins with his dimple on only the left side. It is clear from the alignment of his teeth in an early film, The Outsiders, that he has had orthodontic work done.
I have a number of asymmetries similar to Cruise's. However, while Cruise's dental midline and the bridge of his nose deviate from his interpupillary midline in the same direction, camouflaging the discrepancy, my nose and teeth deviate in opposite directions making it more obvious. My dental midline is probably less deviated than Cruise's (especially since correcting my oral posture), but the bridge of my nose and my occlusal cant are more deviated.
The main thing I want to analyze are his asymmetric nasolabial folds. Because nasolabial folds are correlated with aging, there have been several posts on the forum worried that chewing exercises or even mewing itself might make nasolabial folds more pronounced (often citing Dr. Mew's nasolabial folds as evidence) and others suggesting open-mouth chewing as a way to avoid exacerbating nasolabial folds. I don't have enough experience to offer an informed opinion on this dispute. However, I wonder if the asymmetry of Cruise's nasolabial folds could be instructive. Do you think the asymmetry comes from the underlying asymmetric skeletal structure (as seen in his midline deviation), or do you think the asymmetry comes from asymmetric development of facial muscles (or a combination of both)? Like Cruise, I have one nasolabial fold that veers out and meets up with the crease from my chin to the hollow of my cheek while the other remains a separate line. I wonder, if I have any success correcting my skeletal asymmetries, if the asymmetry in my nasolabial folds will also change. Cruise has other qualities in his favor that I don't have, including masseter development, a smile arc relatively consonant with the curve of his lower lip, minimal buccal corridors, and good forward maxilla development seen on profile photos.
He has no downswing. If you guys see him smiling his occlusal plane shows slight upswing of his maxilla which would reduce his Mew line.
I really think what happened with him is he "grew into" his face. I have seen this happen for many adult men. The facial bones develop in late adolescence in many men I have noticed.
My own mandible grew a bit in my early 20s as well so I don't see it as far fetched for that to happen to other guys.
Lighting, distance from camera, angle and lilt of the head etc. all have a huge effect on how people look in photographs.
It's highly likely he had plastic surgery in some fashion, given what I know about Hollywood. But he is confirmed to have had a large amount of dental work done. What none of these photos are showing is how twisted his front tooth was when he first started out.
Just a reminder, too: Even with his original face that you seem to be so disappointed in, someone in Hollywood thought he was worth putting into a movie. He had worth, he had drive, he knew it and persevered. And here he is now, for better or worse.
I've been seeing a lot of terminology on this site lately that focuses on rich people's access and methods to "correcting" facial dysfunction vs. poor people's. And a focus on other people's ugliness and parts of their face that are "trash". One, everyone is human and on their own journey, and a bit of kindness in all directions can do a great deal. Two, everyone makes their own decisions for their own reasons. A very rich person might want to try to heal as holistically as possible without getting plastic surgery. They may have more resources, they may or may not succeed. A poor person may know they can't afford plastic surgery, but still have no desire to undergo the knife.
But when we look at celebrities and analyze them, let's be respectful.
Also, this pic below shows that having a shorter midface and a more robust profile doesn't make one better looking. Guy on the left (with the glasses) has a shorter face than Tom Cruise and his lower face (below the nose) is more robust. His chin is more wide and projecting and he has a shorter midface. But he would not be considered good looking.
Also, this pic below shows that having a shorter midface and a more robust profile doesn't make one better looking. Guy on the left (with the glasses) has a shorter face than Tom Cruise and his lower face (below the nose) is more robust. His chin is more wide and projecting and he has a shorter midface. But he would not be considered good looking.
You say that Cruise has no downswing, but looking at his philtrum and cheek angle in this pic, the downswing seems pretty clear. His posterior mandible also sits nearly behind his earline, hardly having any breathing room at all.
It's pointless to compare the robustness of one face to that of another, because the overall appearance of the face is the result of countless differing variables. The guy in the back would likely look less attractive with reduced robustness.
He has no downswing. If you guys see him smiling his occlusal plane shows slight upswing of his maxilla which would reduce his Mew line.
He has the convex profile though? His jawline also used to curve inwards, I thought these were defining indicators of a downswing. His head posture also seemed to be worse in the early 80s.
@Progress his philtrum angle is caused by the soft tissue of his nose pulling the upper lip out further. He has a very robust nose bridge so that pulls the soft tissue of his nose further put than someone without this feature.
Regarding the man with the robust lower face, my point was that a short midface isn't going to make one better looking than someone with a longer midface (like Cruise).
Also, @noises explain what you mean by "convex" profile.
@Progress his philtrum angle is caused by the soft tissue of his nose pulling the upper lip out further. He has a very robust nose bridge so that pulls the soft tissue of his nose further put than someone without this feature.
Regarding the man with the robust lower face, my point was that a short midface isn't going to make one better looking than someone with a longer midface (like Cruise).
Also, @noises explain what you mean by "convex" profile.
That's not how the nose behaves in a well grown face. With adequate maxillary support, both the philtrum and the nose will project forward. Because of his increasingly downswung midface, Tom's philtrum angle is only worsening over time. Most of what you perceive as robustness is likely filler (cheeks) and CFD (nose prominence). In addition to his receded philtrum, his nose has acquired a downward curvature over the years... yet magically his cheeks have gained a fuller appearance. Minus the cosmetic procedures, his bone structure has only downswung further:
"Regarding the man with the robust lower face, my point was that a short midface isn't going to make one better looking than someone with a longer midface (like Cruise). "
Well Cruise is Cruise. He is good looking. You are comparing apples to oranges and thinking you have a point.
Lighting, distance from camera, angle and lilt of the head etc. all have a huge effect on how people look in photographs.
It's highly likely he had plastic surgery in some fashion, given what I know about Hollywood. But he is confirmed to have had a large amount of dental work done. What none of these photos are showing is how twisted his front tooth was when he first started out.
Just a reminder, too: Even with his original face that you seem to be so disappointed in, someone in Hollywood thought he was worth putting into a movie. He had worth, he had drive, he knew it and persevered. And here he is now, for better or worse.
I've been seeing a lot of terminology on this site lately that focuses on rich people's access and methods to "correcting" facial dysfunction vs. poor people's. And a focus on other people's ugliness and parts of their face that are "trash". One, everyone is human and on their own journey, and a bit of kindness in all directions can do a great deal. Two, everyone makes their own decisions for their own reasons. A very rich person might want to try to heal as holistically as possible without getting plastic surgery. They may have more resources, they may or may not succeed. A poor person may know they can't afford plastic surgery, but still have no desire to undergo the knife.
But when we look at celebrities and analyze them, let's be respectful.
Oh for sure. Definitely not intending to be disrespectful!
I don't believe he got jaw implants. It was too early for him to get them that time, nobody was getting them back then + they would have looked bad and unnatural at that time and he'd had complications and some doctor would have said he did them for Tom Cruise. IMO he just aged well.
30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.
I thought about this thread when dr. Mew suggested in a recent video that the same exact thing I proposed here happened with Kylie Jenner. His opinion about it persists despite criticism, I wonder what he would think about a situation like Cruise where he was older and more recessed when the change occurred.
As for my own opinion, as observed earlier in the thread his midface is showing CFD advancement but is that definitive proof that he never had improvements to his tongue posture? I observed my dad last year and noticed that he clearly has good tongue posture when he's awake but mouthbreathes and snores during sleep. I find it very curious how much variation there can be in these subconscious habits and how this is manifested long-term.
Keep in mind comparing a juvenile/neotenous pretty boy to a middle aged man means you will always see bone changes toward a gerontomorphic facial structure.
Look, even women undergo a bone growth process similar to males. I notice in a LOT of women how their mandible and overall facial structure becomes more rugged over time. The ramus increases in length, and the chin becomes more prominent. Some of this may be due to gravity, and some of it to muscle usage (masseter and mentalis mainly).
Neotenous Brooke Shields
kind of looks like Denise Richards
Notice a more gerontomorphic facial structure with time. Her forehead is more sloped, her brow more prominent, and ramus steeper. Also notice the increased chin projection:
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Notice I didn't mention anything about skin quality. Her bones are literally shaped differently. If this happens to a female imagine what would happen to a male.
The whole idea of "muh bones fuse and never change after 25" is going to lose its credibility over the next years. Bet that.
I don't know if you were replying to me but I was referring to the change in his early adulthood. Below is him in one of his earliest movies and then 5 years later. I think we can all agree that at least he started keeping his teeth better together. I can't believe I'm back making a case for Tom Cruise's spontaneous mewing but at least we've got Mike Mew himself considering it a plausible occurrence now.
But you make a good and well illustrated point. Looks like Brooke mews pretty hard though and her palate seems to have considerably expanded over the years which accounts for a lot of the perceived ruggedness.
His cheekbones and midfacial bones have always been prominent and very well developed - this is DESPITE his maxillary retrusion. They only look more prominent because of age-related subcutaneous facial fat loss and slimming down in general.
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Posted by: Silver
I think the other posters have figured it out but I want to note as well that it's unlikely he mewed because if you look his midface ratio didn't change at all.
His midface is protruding outwards more, look at the nasal bridge and cheekbones. That's quite a surgery he had in the mid-80s, looks like they even rotated his ears back. Or better yet, he just grew into his face like that without any maxillary support against gravity. What a legend, classic Tom.
Also, this pic below shows that having a shorter midface and a more robust profile doesn't make one better looking. Guy on the left (with the glasses) has a shorter face than Tom Cruise and his lower face (below the nose) is more robust. His chin is more wide and projecting and he has a shorter midface. But he would not be considered good looking.
You say that Cruise has no downswing, but looking at his philtrum and cheek angle in this pic, the downswing seems pretty clear. His posterior mandible also sits nearly behind his earline, hardly having any breathing room at all.
It's pointless to compare the robustness of one face to that of another, because the overall appearance of the face is the result of countless differing variables. The guy in the back would likely look less attractive with reduced robustness.
Interesting analysis. What makes the guy in the left less attractive than Cruise?
My bet: skin complexity (worse), eye area (Cruise has more hunter eyes), shape nose (left guy has bit of a 'pig' feminine nose)
His cheekbones and midfacial bones have always been prominent and very well developed - this is DESPITE his maxillary retrusion. They only look more prominent because of age-related subcutaneous facial fat loss and slimming down in general.
Are you referring to the width of his face? Because a recessed maxilla will usually be poorly developed in both horizontal and vertical dimensions and he does show some signs of downward growth such as a wide nasolabial angle.
That's not how the nose behaves in a well grown face. With adequate maxillary support, both the philtrum and the nose will project forward. Because of his increasingly downswung midface, Tom's philtrum angle is only worsening over time. Most of what you perceive as robustness is likely filler (cheeks) and CFD (nose prominence). In addition to his receded philtrum, his nose has acquired a downward curvature over the years... yet magically his cheeks have gained a fuller appearance. Minus the cosmetic procedures, his bone structure has only downswung further:
I think this might have something to do with the braces treatment that he had. Orthodontsits often use retractive techniques to close the gaps and align the teeth nicely. This has the negative effect of increasing the nasolabial angle.
Also having braces can cause pain and disruption to occlusion. In the long term this can lead to loss of good oral posture and function and subsequent rescission in the alveolar ridge.
Posted by: Progress
"Regarding the man with the robust lower face, my point was that a short midface isn't going to make one better looking than someone with a longer midface (like Cruise). "
Well Cruise is Cruise. He is good looking. You are comparing apples to oranges and thinking you have a point.
Actually this is a good comparison and the guy in the back is very interesting. He has allot of features the mewing community considers ideal, but he is not good looking.
If you look closely many of his hard features (jawline, chin, short mid face, brow ridge) are strong and prominent but his soft features (nose, lips, eyes) are weak. He has a big disharmony between his features.
I don't know if you were replying to me but I was referring to the change in his early adulthood. Below is him in one of his earliest movies and then 5 years later. I think we can all agree that at least he started keeping his teeth better together. I can't believe I'm back making a case for Tom Cruise's spontaneous mewing but at least we've got Mike Mew himself considering it a plausible occurrence now.
But you make a good and well illustrated point. Looks like Brooke mews pretty hard though and her palate seems to have considerably expanded over the years which accounts for a lot of the perceived ruggedness.
You have to take exact age into account when making those comparisons. This really matters when comparing pre-adult to adult pictures. Both examples could have had additional growth between the two sets of pictures. Also differences in angle, lighting, and pose can't be understated.
I don't know if you were replying to me but I was referring to the change in his early adulthood. Below is him in one of his earliest movies and then 5 years later. I think we can all agree that at least he started keeping his teeth better together. I can't believe I'm back making a case for Tom Cruise's spontaneous mewing but at least we've got Mike Mew himself considering it a plausible occurrence now.
But you make a good and well illustrated point. Looks like Brooke mews pretty hard though and her palate seems to have considerably expanded over the years which accounts for a lot of the perceived ruggedness.
You have to take exact age into account when making those comparisons. This really matters when comparing pre-adult to adult pictures. Both examples could have had additional growth between the two sets of pictures. Also differences in angle, lighting, and pose can't be understated.
Well, the Cruise stills are from movies released in 1981 and 1986 and seeing as Hollywood productions are filmed close to a year before their release on average, he would've been 18 and 23. It's true that taking the perceived difference between two photographically nonidentical pictures at absolute face value would be foolish but I think he's clearly exhibiting characteristics of an upswing between those pictures. It's hard to know what's going on with him as there are clearly cosmetic procedures involved and he's showing recession and bad oral posture later in life.
Also, this pic below shows that having a shorter midface and a more robust profile doesn't make one better looking. Guy on the left (with the glasses) has a shorter face than Tom Cruise and his lower face (below the nose) is more robust. His chin is more wide and projecting and he has a shorter midface. But he would not be considered good looking.
You say that Cruise has no downswing, but looking at his philtrum and cheek angle in this pic, the downswing seems pretty clear. His posterior mandible also sits nearly behind his earline, hardly having any breathing room at all.
It's pointless to compare the robustness of one face to that of another, because the overall appearance of the face is the result of countless differing variables. The guy in the back would likely look less attractive with reduced robustness.
Interesting analysis. What makes the guy in the left less attractive than Cruise?
My bet: skin complexity (worse), eye area (Cruise has more hunter eyes), shape nose (left guy has bit of a 'pig' feminine nose)
Facial harmony is off. Does not correspond to golden ratio. Also he has a round face which isn't considered attractive on men. So round fat face + lacking facial harmony = not good looking.
To me it just looks like a positive of his dental work. It looks like he has an underbite in the before photos, making his face all stretched out.
The photo of him in Top Gun reflects that it's just a tiny change in the height of his chin, and perhaps hypertrophy of his masseters that result in his changed appearance.
What I find most interesting about this example is how miniscule changes can completely change how a person's face is received. Old Tom isn't particularly handsome in his earlier movies, although he has great eyes. Though, with his chin raising a couple millimeters and his jaw moving a few millimeters, he becomes one of the most handsome men in Hollywood.
For me it just goes to show how 'beauty' is much closer than we may think.
- Mewing for 6+ months
- IMW: 35mm (no expansion)
- Sleep on the floor without a pillow
- Tape mouth at night
- Continue to emphasise chin-tuck/occipital drive for extended periods
- Chew Mastic Tears for 1 hour every other day
Though, with his chin raising a couple millimeters and his jaw moving a few millimeters, he becomes one of the most handsome men in Hollywood.
For me it just goes to show how 'beauty' is much closer than we may think.
I am convinced that human mind has evolved to perceive what eyes can barely see, allowing us to judge relying on the instinct. The same instict that tells us if a person is healthy or not, lazy or very active, solitary or socially involved.
I am convinced that human mind has evolved to perceive what eyes can barely see, allowing us to judge relying on the instinct. The same instict that tells us if a person is healthy or not, lazy or very active, solitary or socially involved.
So yes, a few mms make a big difference.
100%
In my own experience with mewing, despite not yet necessarily seeing any provable changes, I have seen a difference in how people react to me. Perhaps mewing changes, perhaps changes from working out, or postural changes.
Especially when I fiddle around on photoshop it's incredible to see how tiny changes (like the photoshop of Tom Cruise) completely change how someone is perceived. In the above example, he looks like Tom Cruise with or without a strong jaw. However just a few mm difference transforms him from an average looking Tom Cruise into a deadly handsome Tom Cruise.
I think a lot of people expect when talking about aesthetic improvements from mewing, that it's going to really transform the features of your face, and you're going to look like a different, handsome person. However, I think what is way closer to the truth is exactly what you said - that attractive people simply have these healthy, well developed faces... or simulate healthy development.
And mewing as a process leads towards that!
However, I am finding for anyone that wants to become more attractive, it comes down to so much more than mewing:
Gaining muscle. Loosing fat. Getting some sunlight, a tan. Getting more relaxed in social situations. Posture in general. In my opinion all of these are just as important as mewing if you want to be perceived as attractive.
- Mewing for 6+ months
- IMW: 35mm (no expansion)
- Sleep on the floor without a pillow
- Tape mouth at night
- Continue to emphasise chin-tuck/occipital drive for extended periods
- Chew Mastic Tears for 1 hour every other day
Doesn't seem like genioplasty. But who knows? Because she is a star, anything is possible, and he will not announce it anyway. Before, plastic surgeries were more common in girls, but now you can also see boys with plastic surgeries ... For me is disgusting. Disgusting for both genres. Even if it's normal now to see a girl with vulgar makeup, botox, long nails, fake breasts, for me, this will never be normal. I will always choose naturalness, and I favor natural, light makeup. I very much hope that plastic surgery and botox will not be trendy as soon as possible.
Hey there! Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I just wanted to add my two cents. I completely agree that small changes in facial features can make a big difference in how people perceive you. I've been considering getting liposuction to remove some stubborn fat, and I found this great resource at https://www.visageclinic.com/the-art-of-liposuction/ that explains the process and what to expect. Of course, as you mentioned, becoming more attractive is about more than just physical changes - it's about confidence, posture, and overall wellness. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! By the way, I'm new to this forum, so nice to meet you all!
kind of looks like Denise Richards
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