@apollo You IMW seemed pretty good to begin with, mine was about 34mm starting out going up to 8-9 mm total. Im only about 5'9 for reference. My fir...
Another update:4-5mm diastema, this expansion is going much smoother now that the arms of the MSE are contoured better which have not dug into my gums...
Invisilign mostly works to affect aveolar bone. Not gonna get much skeletal changes.
Update: Last week I got my final MSE, no corticopuncture. Suture split at 16 turns, easier expansion than my previous MSE likely due to new scar-lik...
@apollo Could you feel the tension anywhere on your face? What protraction device did you use?
@apollo When did you start pulling after getting the MSE installed? Day 1? I feel I need CCW movement since I have and overbite as its holding ...
Getting my final MSE and FM (BOW.) Ive set my expectations pretty low but I have plenty of time to do it. What is the consensus on pulling angle? Id...
Depends on your preexisting skull shape and age. Perimaxillary sutures can limit midface changes but you might get lateral rotation of each side of yo...
I saw something that was like the opposite of MSE where the facepulling anchorage was in the nostrils combined with headgear but it was extreme stuff.
@apollo No, I didnt get another scan, but the bone feels like its solidified and there is no mobility. My ortho described the bone to be more scar lik...
@wellwellwell Thanks. Couple of weeks ago I got my 2nd MSE removed after the scar-like bone filled in the sutural split but I am doing invisilign to r...
@apollo to ensure that I dont loose any of the expansion that I did get.
@apollo I return for checkup in February to get my 2nd MSE taken out but I think we can return to a original placement this time. I think the holes ma...
Another update: scan is from August After around 24 turns the split occured and at around 40 I got onesided dental movement on my right side wher...
@blacbeast I dont think the screws would hold if you just swapped the with new ones for a new appliance. Prior to my 2nd installation I caught the f...
@blacbeast Hello, your case looked similar to my first case but I had less tooth tipping which occurs the longer the device is in. Your arch looks sim...
@silver Tongue posture affects foreward movment by rotation, it has some cascading effects on the bones to a small effect but its forces are different...
@silver Not enough according to differing circumstances, the lower jaw (and funds) can be a limiting factor for how much you can expand. I do not have...
@silver I think I heard Won Moon describe that the bones re-fuse within a month or two, the window is a small time for the opened facial sutures. The ...
@silver The difficulty in breaking the sutures with a vaulted and narrow palate (with a large tongue) is a monumental task, or even for some supposed ...
@marp96 Every mouth is different, Ronald Ead would be better to ask about lower jaw since I havnt completed MSE or have plans for lower arch (run into...
@marp96 The most expensive part are the braces/invisign that come after actually ($6K for me.) I think some orthos allow you to go through a couple or...
@sergio-oms Funny thing occured to me, soon after my own suture split, I continued to expand at the prescribed 2/turns a day but found the arms diggin...
@adam35 Im curious about it too. It might not be as stable for those with a certain maxillary cant since theres no tooth anchorage. From the images ...
I found this:/p>
If you expand the nasal floor, splitting the midpalatal suture helps do this. It would be the lower part of you nasal opening expanding more than the ...
@mysterecessed I currently have about a 2mm gap between my teeth but its not as bad asthetically as I thought it would be (a slightly fuller expanded ...
@apollo My ortho and I discussed grinding down the bone in passing but I havnt heard much about it as an option.
@apollo theres a thin ridge of bone (tori) that seems to obstruct me from feeling it in the rear but I have no sense that any split occurred posterior...
Its stayed the same, its flat 1mm clearance according to measuring tape, practically unchanged. The picture I uploaded didnt really do it justice, its...
@jordanr Not exactly sure either. I think its to stabilize the expansion since there is a lot of resistance at the zygomaticomaxillary buttress. I do ...
@mysterecessed Ronald Ead's mouth became messed up because of AGGA, but his mouth has had so much work done that his case is rather exceptional. I ...
Update #4: 24 turns and what drove me to post was the relevant change of a diastema. In the last two days I added in an additional turn mid-day (a t...
@mysterecessed 1) The ortho that I went to lists her procedure as MARPE on her website and paperwork but informed me that I was given a MSE II appli...
@apollo Its mild but enough to need the corticopuncture. My ortho commented more on the bone density she saw in the scans than what she saw from looki...
Update #3: After the initial installation failed due to thicker bone (palatal tori) I have got it re-installed to be placed a few mm further for...
@mamabear2020 After what was supposed to be my appointment ended up with a delay due to my ortho ordering my MSE wrong, so I had to wait another month...
@apollo Oh ok, I got my ortho to agree to do protraction but my 1st MSE (the failed one thats still in until next installation) didnt have those hooks...
@apollo Where do the hooks attach on the MSE? I got a standard MSE II appliance but havnt asked my ortho about it yet since Im not at that stage yet.
@mewgod I currently have MSE and havnt split the suture yet due to having mild torus palatinus, I have to get it reinstalled with corticopuncture. Peo...
I dont really remember, I took it conservatively to monitor small changes but it was a slower rate as turning too much just moved teeth within the ave...
Shwartz expander for upper and lower arch, very slightly uprighted some lower incisors then stopped when I started getting tooth tipping with no affec...
Image appears to be taken at different depths. As usual one of the teeth are being pushed through the aveolar ridge on the right side. Not saying that...
@toomer Its mostly worn at night, acting as a retainer for poor tongue posture in sleep. When you move the aveolar ridge or teeth that gives more spac...
@thomas22 I do mean to say that the DNA appliance is only trying (but is much less sophisticated) to imitate the tongue. By your striking out my text ...
@thomas22 Removable expanders are really only trying to imitate the tongue but do it less efficiently and with less force on the palate and more on th...
You are free to spend money and time as you wish.
@thomas22 Yeah, basically. I was re-reading my comment now and I couldnt understand it too. Sorry about that. Most removable devices mostly seem to ...
@thomas22 They can only act upon, not within the configuration of facial bones enact forces onto eachother. The video has very alot of morphing...
There is very minor but unnoticeable bone remodeling to be considered of the body of each facial bone without the need for distracting sutures but it...
@apollo Yeah, the screws are firmly uprighted since we took a 2nd xray (I might post the DICOM files after Ive completed the treatments some time from...
Update #2: When at 22 turns I noticed that the MSE II appliance started slowly shifting to my right side of the palate flush against part of my rid...
@magnumopus I have it anchored on my 1st molars, there is pressure when chewing on them at some angles. I agree, I feel there is too much force ancho...
@magnumopus I go back in 3 weeks for checkup and Ive already asked about facemask but my ortho said that the facemask has little effect but I will sti...
@magnumopus I did not have corticopuncture, just the appliance with its screws drilled into the bone, I havnt asked my ortho about it yet. I wouldnt r...
Update #1: -9 Days after installation, 18 turns on my modified MSE II appliance. -Nasal breathing noticeably better as I was plagued by chronic st...
Those images dont look like they are bone anchored devices which causes the "Pacman" suture opening rather than parallel expansion. The idea is to all...
I think gummy smile where the front teeth make the face longer is because of narrow and recessed maxilla more than it is a problem with the palate. Th...
@elwynn I dont dismiss the existence of improvements, Im dismissing it as only improvements being the result of exceptional starting conditions (like...
