He posted an update:/p> If this is legit (as in no surgery), this is hands down the best documented case of changes from mewing/posture.

I could be completely wrong but your maxilla looks like it might be fine. Focus on head posture (i.e. chin tucks) and full body posture. This can he...

I would say that it's highly likely the changes you're noticing won't be noticeable to the average person unless you specifically point them out. So d...

@achilles1 How are things going?

Wow that seems super fast. I'm almost 30 and my ortho said it may take 4-5 weeks. Only on turn 10, fingers crossed for a split.

@Apollo how many turns did it take you to split? Did you get corticopuncture?

I'm on the cusp of 30 and getting MSE in a few days. All I'll say is I would pay good money to be able to rewind the clock and get MSE at 19. At my ...

@apollo ah got it - overall that's good to hear MSE was successful at least!

@apollo got it, sorry to hear you had limited success. What options are you pursuing now?

@apollo somewhere in this forum I think you mentioned you're in your 30's and had a successful MSE. Quick question - did you do any mewing before you...

Can you link to any examples of people in their 40's achieving suture splits with tongue alone? That's amazing. I've been religiously correcting ort...

After making this post, I got a consultation with a leading MSE doctor and they did say that success rates start dropping in the late 20's. So that's...

I think it's highly unlikely you actually caused any meaningful change in 1 month - good or bad. The "differences" you're seeing in those pictures ar...

If nothing else, your improved tongue posture has reduced the bulge under your chin. Great work.

Contact Dr. Zaghi at the Breathe Institute to see if he can refer you to anyone. He's the most knowledgeable doc in the frenectomy field. His surge...

@Progress that's what I've come to realize as well. That position gives the tongue more traction to provide forward forces, almost like a "grip."

Makes sense. Have you personally seen any forward growth?

@sinned I wonder if going "slower" by just using the tongue will prevent those gaps from forming.

@greyham how's DNA working out for you so far? I remember you posted about a blog somewhere - have you updated it recently, and what was the link?

Michale Chatham, whose insane results can be seen at the very bottom of this blog, has said somewhere that proper tongue posture should be a soft suct...

@mewtated sounds a lot like me. If you have a tongue tie, you're probably not making optimal progress as it takes too much effort to get your tongue...

Have you been evaluated for a tongue tie?

Have you been evaluated for a tongue tie? I started this journey in 2017 and only 2 months ago was diagnosed with a tongue tie when I went to a DNA...

@progress thanks! Also of note, I believe Michale has dropped in to this forum before (can't find the thread now) where she has said her results came ...

After consulting with two DNA-approved dentists, I've decided to get a frenectomy before thinking about getting DNA. Even if I got the DNA, I feel li...

@toomer Yeah I appreciate everything you've typed. I'm in the same boat, on the verge of pulling the trigger and feverishly researching. My worst fe...

@toomer this is a way better explanation than the one I got at my patient education session. They should hire you to do it. The only thing that bot...

@Thomas22 thank you for creating this thread and sharing your experience. I'm considering doing DNA. My consultations have said that I have a decen...

@WrongNotes super interesting, I'm going to try jogging. Mouth taping at night has drastically expanded my nasal breathing capabilities but like you...

Its impact on retraining your subconscious is tremendous. Teeth in light contact + mouth taping is an effective combo.

@chiefkeefsosa ah ok, my bad then I got @progress' start date mixed up with someone else's. Yes I've been at it for 3 years and actually don't consi...

@progress super informative, thanks for sharing! @chiefkeefsosa because there's an actual measurable result (IMW) that almost certainly can't be fak...

In my opinion the most promising/believable change I've seen so far is @progress, who if he's to be believed, has successfully increased IMW over the ...

Keep in mind most people who learned mewing from the internet are likely not mewing correctly. The learning curve is huge, both in getting the techn...

Wait, so is Mew basically walking back what his dad says in that statement, @TGW? Sounds like he's saying the average person won't be able to do any...

Anyone have experience with xylitol/erythritol? Xylitol is taught to all dentists in school but for some reason it's rarely recommended in practice ...

@Elwynn well said. It's taken me 3 years to get to where I'm at, and I'm still continuously realizing my tongue isn't deep enough. Did I make any a...

@PolHolmes I agree with you, which is why I think true results on Orthotropic forums are rare. Most simply don't have the dedication/discipline to bu...

I mean, this isn't really new information. I think it's widely accepted that "soft mewing" after puberty will probably be minimally effective if at a...

@Azrael what's his insta?

Mouth taping has completely retrained my default position to be mouth closed, tongue up. Takes a couple of months but it's extremely effective.

@elwynn when you say "lip seal" do you also mean "lip suction" as in you're gently sucking your lips against your teeth?

I do admit after re-reading my posts that it feels like I keep moving the goalpost. My fault on lack of clarity. My final point in this is that to me...

It's not an excuse, it's the reality. Statistically most people who are trying to mew are overwhelmingly likely to be doing it wrong, because most pe...

@Elwynn agreed, it's not about knowledge it's about building mind-body awareness which is a long, labor-intensive process. Of course, the most effic...

Going to be that guy - I highly doubt you were doing it right. The fact that you think being on these forums for 3 years and watching mewing videos me...

Good work, keep it up!

Can you share more about your routine? Do you push outwards against the teeth with your tongue?

@Loliboly no I mean I have it in contact all the time, even when sleeping. As for walks, it's hard to explain, but go for a 1 mile walk every day thi...

Depends on what your goal is. If it's to retrain your tongue posture, I think it can help strengthen your tongue. If it's for maxilla upswing, recen...

Everyone's case is different. Teeth in contact has been a game changer for me in terms of my head posture. When my molars are touching, my head post...

@EddieMoney ah got it, yes that makes a lot of sense.

How would you say "tongue ballooning" is different from pushing up/sideways? Those are the only ways to push, correct?

Mouth tape at certain times during the day and 1 hour before bed time. It'll help you reprogram your subconscious so that the tape at night is just a...

What are you trying to "get out of" mewing? Seems like your maxilla is already in a good position (could be wrong on this). Are your teeth straight?