Sounds good, send me a message on here.

Sorry for the late reply. I believe the direction is slightly downward.

@auxiliarus Thanks for the detailed answer, much appreciated. I have no idea why suction is recommended so often; it's extremely difficult to achieve ...

After several months of jutting my bottom jaw forward against my top teeth, trying to remodel the alveolar ridge, I don't think it really did anything...

@lo12288 I said that because a high arched palate is harder to cover the surface area with the tongue and a torus growth is an even thicker patch of b...

There's not much of a point being made if you're still saying that the maxilla has to come forward to affect the other bones instead of the reverse. E...

@meowxilla When only brought up in a thread from over a year ago, you're talking about a problem that doesn't really exist here. Practically nobody po...

@auxiliarus Turns out I forgot to reply to your post at the time and thus forgot about measuring my teeth. I don't think they changed any further in t...

@alphaminus If more attention is placed on raising the occipital than tilting the chin, it should feel and look more natural than jamming the chin bac...

@polholmes If you were a "7/10" beforehand, you're pretty much golden anyway. (though I get why you'd want to maximize what you have, much like how a ...

The lower third of my face is recessed (as confirmed by posters here) and tucking doesn't create a double chin. I think it used to, when first startin...

Probably tongue thrust or your tongue rests on the floor of your mouth and it simply laying there is enough force to push your teeth out over time.

@auxiliarus It's very hard to say. Not being the type to claim I've achieved results in a short time, it still feels like the mirror shows improvement...

@chiefkeefsosa He hasn't posted photos yet, I think he said it will be done after gaining even more change. I don't doubt his progress, both for how m...

@chiefkeefsosa At his age? He's 18, thus one of the younger posters here. @EddieMoney is over 30 and claims to have results.@harrykanemaxilla I think ...

@spidey Were you only going for a difference in IMW? No other part of your face changed either?

@auxiliarus Sounds good, can't wait to see the progress. I don't remember your previous photos showing that you carried much extra weight in your face...

@ayla-mao You're right, I was unsure if the example worked because of the gonial angle.

Isn't this what a class III bite entails?

@basim Disregard what I just said about Progress' post not being there. He didn't delete it, I just skipped over it somehow. Here:/p>

That's what I thought, although I don't believe the maxilla gets pushed forward with tooth contact. Progress' theory of alveolar ridge remodelling mak...

Was this the article? Sounds vaguely like what you're talking about, as the author is a PhD. and it was linked in a thread here.

I have a high palate with a fairly short face, and I'd look better if my lower third had more height. Never heard about long faces being synonymous wi...

Plenty of models are selected because they have short faces and brachyfacial skulls are neotenous, it's not weird or uncommon for tall people to have ...

@auxiliarus The zygomaticus is exactly where the contrast shows up, so you're probably right. Any time I've had hollow cheeks (not as dramatic as mode...

Might be from less facial fat and the angle your head is tilted between photos, but it looks better in the after photo, whatever the reason. Dropping ...

Why do people ALWAYS take an after pic with facial hair? Not even "this is the only photo I have", they specifically go out of their way to take one a...

@auxiliarus The part about protracting/retracting while chewing makes sense and is probably more or less the way it's done if there isn't some kind of...

@sergio-oms Is centric relation essentially about sliding the mandible as far as it can go without causing pain or discomfort? I'm not doing/promoting...

@eddiemoney I let the lower incisors meet the upper ones, so in my case, "jutting" is just making a normal bite. By the molar chewing being awkward, I...

@sergio-oms Retracting it the opposite direction with elastics did the same thing to a worse degree and prevented me from having any lateral or forwar...

@chiquilla I have checked out the Gokhale Method and bought her pain-free postural chair over four years ago, which I highly recommend. The seat curve...

@basim I won't give his name out, he's an old friend. He doesn't know anything about Orthotropics and wouldn't be able to help you.

@basim Your palate is definitely wider than 34 mm, looks good. I know someone who has those same gaps and didn't have orthodontics either, he looks a ...

33-34mm is a narrow measurement, but yours looks wider than that in the photo. Are you missing teeth on your right side?

@yusu Sounds like everyone on here is going to look like The Beatles, eventually. I was told the same thing about myself (looking better with hair on ...

You have a well developed face and look better in profile, which is really uncommon. Your chin isn't recessed at all. As for asymmetry, I don't really...

It looks good. While "get a haircut" sounds like the standard annoying advice of people who instantly disregard what you're saying, I think your hair ...

@oatmeal My occlusion was recently classified as a class 1, but my upper front 6 teeth don't touch the bottom ones at rest because a bit of an overjet...

His before photo doesn't even look that bad, though so many men don't take any photos without facial hair so it's harder to tell where they're startin...

@Progress I've been sliding my bottom jaw forward ever since you told me about it and it feels great, like a therapeutic feeling. Not surprising, sinc...

@progress I think the alveolar theory is sound on its own, and perhaps accounts for why most people with great facial development don't have crazy pro...

The after photos are a bit hard to compare for reasons auxiliary mentioned above, but it does look like your asymmetry improved.

Yeah, I don't know if it's caused by lighting/angle changes or something but you do look better. Hard to tell why, but I'm not skilled at nitpicking p...

@robbie343 Were you given an explanation as to why your jaw joints were so worn out?

@greensmoothies I'm not sure if it can be called talking about feelings when I never really get that far. It's more like having to try and formulate a...

@Progress I've been going through your progress thread and you said this a year ago:_At the moment, it feels like the jutting and the tongue posture c...

@azrael Have you heard of the button hold/pull exercise? Someone on Reddit claimed to have results in lip seal from it. Exercise #10 in this article:/...

@yusu You look good. A front view would show more of your undereye support or lack thereof, although it looks fine. I agree that your nose is probably...

@azrael You split your suture without having a lip seal? Or do you just mean it comes apart at night? Regardless, myofunctional therapy would only be ...

@auxiliarus Do you have any examples of people you think have recessed mandibles and a low/high hyoid for comparison?

@drunkwithcoffee I've swished with xylitol after eating anything every day for over 3 years. Unfortunately, my review of it is hard to trust as I init...

@mb123 You're welcome. I hadn't done much research into Myobrace but it's interesting that you found stories of facial lengthening, which is what I as...

@progress That's a great theory and certainly worth trying. I used to think the only possible solution was maxilla rotation, with the idea that the ma...

@mb123 Are you using the wired retainer? I'd assume so, since the clear version would be plural. From my experience, the wired one doesn't relapse any...

I fully agree about severe chin tucking not being proper posture. If anything, it can be used as a guide to see how recessed your face is without cran...

@eternally12 Yes, that must have something to do with it. I've never considered alveolar changes to be the reason jaws can't fit together, but it make...

@eternally12 Nice to hear it's working well for you. The DNA appliance seems to be great for more minute/complex facial problems, as opposed to the us...