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RE: Male-pattern baldness and CFD

Interesting, reminds me of helmutstrebl's before-after aligned at the forehead: Many landmarks are static, but between your superimposition of th...

3 years ago
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RE: My jawline became less defined

Are you sure it's your digastric muscle being activated when you are suction holding? Try suction holding and put your finger under your jaw and see i...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

In the last few days, I've found that as I bite backwards, if I adjust my bite in a certain way, I can minimize activation of the masseters while main...

3 years ago
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RE: Show me good forward growth

I don't know how accurate that scientist/artist's interpretation of a Paleolithic teen is, considering they only had the skull to base the soft tissue...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

You know, this synergy between temporalis pattern and lip seal is interesting. Lip seal makes me think of the proclined incisors we were talking about...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

The mid-palatal suture? I don't know, does the midpalatal suture actually protrude downwards from the palate, and form a ridge? But yeah, the same spo...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

@eddiemoney Yeah, that makes sense. I think the ultimate goal should be a balance. I shouldn't have said the curve of spee is absolutely gone, because...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Makes sense, thanks. By the way, are you still able to engage solely the temporalii and not the masseters at all when biting along the temporal vector...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

@Progress Do you think chewing (dynamic, intermittent load) vs gentle clenching (static, intermittent load) makes a difference in how the bone reacts ...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

That's interesting to hear. For me, when I have my teeth together along the temporal vector and my tongue suctioned up, my lip seal strengthens greatl...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

@Progress Do you think that most people require CCW rotation or CW rotation of the temporal bones? Or does it depend on the case? Because in modern po...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

@progress What role do you think the lateral and medial pterygoid play? If you view the temporal bone rotation as the originator of this favorable cra...

3 years ago
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RE: Assorted Stories from the Web

What's interesting is that the incisor uprighting seen in Orthotropics only occurs in children, and not in adults. This is the reason why Orthotropics...

3 years ago
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RE: Assorted Stories from the Web

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. It definitely underscores the limitations of appliances, as well as the unique strength of the tongue in shaping th...

3 years ago
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RE: Assorted Stories from the Web

I remember when I first saw this result, I thought it was absolutely incredible in terms of mandibular change and growth of the chin. His whole face g...

3 years ago
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RE: Assorted Stories from the Web

@progress That's an interesting theory. I definitely agree that a major part of CFD for many is a lack of alveolar development. For instance, look at ...

3 years ago
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RE: Assorted Stories from the Web

Interesting how, for both, it doesn't really look like any "upswing" has occurred. In fact for the second result, which seems much more dramatic to me...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Oh, by the way, I just remembered that yesterday I noticed when I turn my head to look left and right over and over(like when shaking my head no), I h...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

I started out with a relatively wide palate (41 mm), yet a low tongue posture/Class 3 edge-to-edge bite. What I suspect is that I had a proper swallow...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

There's some interesting research into the type of chewing and its effect on bone structure in this paper (). It talks about the anterior dental loadi...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Yeah, agreed. I think it's mainly muscle usage and signaling that guides bone growth and remodeling. And different muscles have different functions. L...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

@eddiemoney Do you have an antegonial notch? What's your gonial angle? And do you have an example of a Class 3 with CCW rotated maxilla and short faci...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Yeah, seems like the upwards and backwards direction results in almost pure temporalis activation just because that vector is along the temporal muscl...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

I can only speak for myself as a Class 3, but I’ve found that biting upwards and backwards with the premolars and canines allows me to engage the temp...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Does it feel like a temporary change in pressure, as if something was about to unwind? If so I have felt it too. Yes, like something is trying to unfu...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Also, I wonder what the optimal duration and force of engaging the temporal pattern during resting posture is. Is it simply a matter of strengthening ...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

So in some sense, the temporalii and masseters could be thought of as antagonistic muscles, in that an imbalance in either of them affects the other a...

3 years ago
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RE: Jaws: Masseter pattern vs Temporal pattern

Very interesting take. I have a couple of questions I was hoping you could clarify: 1. How does this theory account for the reduced dental arch length...

3 years ago
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RE: What's your intermolar width?

@eddiemoney Do you see a connection between higher intermolar width and edge-to-edge bite? I'm asking because I had intermolar width of 41mm and edge ...

3 years ago
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RE: 1cm of midface shortening?

Interesting how he has a seemingly wide palate yet narrow face...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

Oh - by intermittent pressure, I meant you turn the screw once a day, so in that sense it’s intermittent. The opposite would be gradual, where the app...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

For my details: I’m seeing an orthotropist near me, and the bulk of the treatment includes expansion with a Biobloc Stage 1 upper and lower appliance,...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

@sinned Mandible has no suture through its middle dividing it into 2 halves like the maxilla, so rate isn’t as important...You can either go at the sa...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

@niccistar 1/16 is the amount the periodontal membrane on your tooth regenerates each day. Since you have teeth on the left and teeth on the right, yo...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

@paperbag Yes, I wore the palate expanders(upper and lower) for slightly less than 2 months, as that’s all the expansion I needed. My occlusion change...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

Yeah, of course... John Mew talks about it in his book, and my experiences matched up with what he said. Basically, the periodontal membrane attaching...

3 years ago
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RE: Expander Treatment with Conventional Orthodontists for Facial Benefits?

@paperbag I’ve gone through expander therapy and can confirm that, if you expand at precisely 1/8mm per day, the expansion is skeletal(I can explain t...

3 years ago
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RE: A deviation in my views

@admin What do you think about Harvold's experiments where the maxilla changed shape/position unfavorably in growing and nongrowing monkeys(at the sam...

4 years ago
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RE: A deviation in my views

@admin What you're saying about the downward component of growth being there, but the anteroposterior(front-back) component not being there, makes sen...

4 years ago
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RE: Mandible recessed. Maxilla rotation.

@EddieMoney So is the suction on the soft palate both necessary and sufficient for CCW rotation of the maxilla? And hence favorable facial shortening ...

4 years ago
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RE: What is the "orthotropic" explanation of partially erupt 2nd mandibular molars, and a deep bite

@jawshrunk123 You don’t really need the lower arch to expand to get your lower molars to erupt...they are intruded because you tongue hangs out betwee...

4 years ago
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RE: What is the "orthotropic" explanation of partially erupt 2nd mandibular molars, and a deep bite

Orthotropics youtube channel has some good videos explaining the how and why of deep bites, and how they often result in partially erupted 2nd molars....

4 years ago
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RE: What mewing did to my face and my life

@achillespalate It means interpupillary distance, the distance between your pupil in the left eye and your pupil in the right eye. Pupil is the black ...

4 years ago
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RE: Vibration Therapy to accelerate bone growth/formation

One thing that the LIPUS studies found to be important was the frequency of the vibrations. The US in LIPUS stands for ultrasonic, or higher frequency...

4 years ago
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RE: Vibration Therapy to accelerate bone growth/formation

@admin Did you ever hear anything back about the LIPUS device and its utility in softening sutures? Regarding the toothbrush discussion, I think the f...

4 years ago
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RE: John Mew: teeth together causes upswing, tongue only widens the maxilla

He was commenting regarding Astrosky’s mewing video and his progress from age 16-22. So at the very least his advice was intended for young adults, wh...

4 years ago
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RE: Strengthening tongue by injecting steroids to improve mewing results?

@admin I’m curious as to what kind of work is being done to figure out how to signal to the body to remodel/correct improper growth? Are there any ort...

4 years ago
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RE: Why mandible position is essential in oral posture

Found this comment from John Mew on the Facebook group, I think it shows the importance of having the lower jaw in a proper position.

4 years ago
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RE: No increase in intermolar width after 7 months of mewing, where to go from here?

@GreekGodBrody How did you lower your vaulted palate, with thumb pulling or mewing? If thumbpulling, how was your technique? Also, how much IMW incr...

4 years ago
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RE: Orthotropics Adult results

It seems to me the gonial angle decreased a lot, do you see that? Or is it just me?

4 years ago
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RE: Bow Appliance

Another question I had: is the Bow able to achieve autorotation of the maxilla? I believe that is the rotation of the back part of the maxilla in addi...

4 years ago
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RE: Bow Appliance

Ah, makes sense - thank you!

4 years ago
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RE: Methods for Forward Growth of Skeletal portion of maxilla

@scerif That is correct, according to what I gathered from Abdulrahman. He goes into detail here:/p>

4 years ago
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RE: Methods for Forward Growth of Skeletal portion of maxilla

A lot of the measurements I found are covered here on Abdulrahman’s blog:/p>

4 years ago
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RE: Methods for Forward Growth of Skeletal portion of maxilla

My nasolabial angle looks good, about 90-100 degrees, but then my cheek line is flat, and it seems I need about 4-5 mm forward growth of the midface t...

4 years ago
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