DNA appliance? The only appliance I know of, that has been independently validated to be curing sleep apnea in some patients: /p>

IMO, this is probably a wise decision. No one should be aiming to self-treat -- in fact, the admin here posts a disclaimer to that affect as well. T...

This could potentially be entirely (or at least partially) due to the lateral expansion. I don't have the references handy at the moment (since I am ...

Interesting post/find ... some of the ideas in there about how muscles and bones affect each other are some of the key ideas behind neuromuscular dent...

Given that I have seen some Vivos DNA cases in adults where the impacted wisdom teeth eventually erupted by the end of treatment ... I don't believe t...

I just loaded it up in PowerPoint and drew it by hand as best I could. Then I moved the lines to the right, made copies of them, and enlarged the cop...

I drew some lines on your photo from Mew:

This author has done extensive research on the topic. Even the orthodontic profession apparently tries to avoid it now in teens (too late for me, unf...

IMO, there's no way that's a Vivos DNA appliance that you got. Even the company that makes it (Vivos) states in some of their financial filings that ...

Instead of thinking about a neurological derangement for proof of what you're thinking of - think of the opposite, what if one side works better than ...

Yes, my provider does things a bit backwards - he thinks they work better that way. So we did all the forward/saggital work first, got about 3mm. Wi...

Long story, my provider does things a little bit differently than Vivos teaches. When we were doing saggital/forward work ... it was every 10 days. ...

I would agree with that, you won't change their minds. And @deebob is definitely one of those ... he sits in a semi-private Discord server all day lo...

I doubt you'll get anything out of @deebob ... there are lots of "Yeah, I did DNA but it didn't do anything for me" claims that get made ... but inter...

Your description sounds similar to what my provider is doing in my case. We spent about a year just with a splint, to get the mandible forward into i...

It's worth noting that Dr. Liao - who was a long-time provider of Vivos, and actually was co-author on some of the earliest clinical reports Dr. Singh...

Actually, the work that goes into the reports comes from dentists in lots of different countries around the globe. The study on maxillary air sinuses...

Except for those cases where the lower portion of the maxilla measure 10% more volume post-treatment:/p>

Holy crap. And all the MSE zealots give DNA a raft of shit? Sure, we can argue whether or not DNA actually gives you more room in the nasal cavity ...

Don't forget the TMJs in all of that. He has since passed, but Dr. Brendan Stack was a pioneer in helping Tourettes Syndrome patients, because he was...

@greyham Well summarized. TL;DR - the famous "Larsen study" which seems to defend the orthodontic industry's position ... turns out to be utter gar...

Thanks for posting! We hear a lot about some AGGA failures, so it's always great to hear some times when it appears to have been successful! Hope yo...

@admin This is great - thanks for the PDF! I had read the original research that he and Haas published, but I didn't know he authored a "follow-up" r...

Has anyone found a full text link for this one? I'd be curious to read it.

This study has always been of interest to me. It's not a perfect case, since part of how they made occlusion again is by removing lower premolars. B...

@zendog74 Sure. Feel free to direct message me.

@thomas22 Is it painful or uncomfortable? What does it feel like? Because I have the opposite - I have had pressure in the bridge of my nose for th...

I don't have my DNA yet, so I can't speak from experience. One thing my provider did tell me (we're doing some other work before we start DNA) is tha...

I'd say that's a fair assessment. That's why the inventor typically describes it as a "biomimetic" appliance - it's basically trying to mimic the pro...

@greyham here has done a bit of that in a blog entry he wrote on bone remodeling and touches on intermittent cycling mentioned in research:/p>

@mafiagang Exactly. Depending on which numbers you buy into, we either swallow around 700 times a day, or 2,000. And supposedly the force generated ...

@mafiagang Thanks for the link to the relapsed orthognathic surgery case. Seems they blame it solely on airway, and that the patient continued to ...

This is very interesting, and is in-line with what a lot of the "neuromuscular" TMJ folks will say - that in the long-term, muscles will win out over ...

That's a great sign. Previously, would you also have to get up and pee during the middle of the night - and if so, has that diminished as well? "No...

Ideas I've had on measuring changes: - Buy a bag of popsicle sticks. Figure out how to bite on one with your first upper molars ... you should be a...

Great to hear your breathing got better. Have you had a follow-up sleep test to determine whether or not your mild sleep apnea has been cured? Was ...

This was one of the criticisms that Ronald Ead eventually made for AGGA. He noted that even if it was expanding things forward (which he was doubting...

@thomas22 Most DNAs I've seen have occlusal coverage for the posterior teeth on both sides. It might not be the same amount on both sides depending o...

So, interesting data point here. My AHI of 41 was diagnosed in a sleep lab in September 2018, where I was forced to sleep supine (which I don't usua...

@apollo I'm not in any expanders yet so I can't reply, perhaps @greyham can share more based on his experience. I know that the general default expan...

I think in many/most cases a DNA would actually have occlusal overlay on both sides of the appliance. This seems to be one area where Dr. Belfor and ...

@crimsonchin Potential "causes" of TMJ ... could probably fill a small medical textbook. But ultimately I think it all comes down to a bad bite / mal...

Interestingly, this Vivos DNA patient specifically commented that after 10 months she finally felt like she could get the "back third" of her tongue t...

@thomas22 That’s awesome! If your test comes in below 5, you’ll be the second person I know who went from 26 to cured on Vivos. So amazing to see th...

What was your AHI previously?

Interestingly enough, I had heard a theory recently that that might be why even with lateral expansion you often get a little bit of forward growth as...

You think the mandible brought the maxilla back? That's interesting. I know you're working with a pretty good TMJ ALF provider - is that something h...

Did you have it before you started treatment? Most patients who see that, then note that it goes away after a little bit of time ...

@thomas22 Ah, ok, you're talking about rotating the mandible. I thought you were talking about the maxilla.

By fins, do you mean the occlusal overlays between your posterior teeth? How do you think they "rotate" it? Obviously, "counter-clockwise rotation"...

Interesting. Now, you had noted before that overall your breathing was better - or at least your sense of smell had gotten better. So this is in add...

If you look at this image from Dr. Belfor's website -- it is showing bone growth in one of his Homeoblock patients that aren't really at where I think...

You're making me really look forward to getting mine. Nasal airflow is a major problem for me - and it's gotten worse in the last half of this past y...

So, that's one of the theories that the inventor of the DNA Appliance has proposed - that evening + overnight wear, but then out during the daytime, y...

@thomas22 The two week cycle seems to pair with the lower daily wear time he advocates - 10-12 hours a day.

If I have interpreted the inventor's presentations properly - it's likely a few things. First, there should be a distinction between forward expansio...

Can you describe the pressure? Does it feel like it's stretching "outward" or anything? Interesting to feel pressure along the eye socket too. All...

@thomas22 Yikes. Self-surgery? Dude, just get back into the oral surgeon's office and have them look. If you call them and sound mildly panicked an...