Do you also have a suction hold and do the push swallow with and without cheesy smile? Sweeping? What about push ups and tongue chewing? Do you let your body be supported by your skeleton, your skull balanced on the spine. Is your spine aligned? Do you do nasal breathing exercises?

The nnng is very useful since it brings the back of the tongue in contact with the soft palate, but I wouldnt use it as the only tongue exercise,  in case you are (I like to use it sometimes after a push swallow to make sure the posterior part is enganged).  You should be also able to drink/swallow effortesly in this position and the suction hold helps with that. Not to say that the "sing" wouldnt help with that too, but I think is good to let the tongue experience different sensantions until your brain really corrects its function/posture.

I hope that helps

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Do you also have a suction hold and do the push swallow with and without cheesy smile? Sweeping? What about push ups and tongue chewing? Do you let your body be supported by your skeleton, your skull balanced on the spine. Is your spine aligned? Do you do nasal breathing exercises?

The nnng is very useful since it brings the back of the tongue in contact with the soft palate, but I wouldnt use it as the only tongue exercise,  in case you are (I like to use it sometimes after a push swallow to make sure the posterior part is enganged).  You should be also able to drink/swallow effortesly in this position and the suction hold helps with that. Not to say that the "sing" wouldnt help with that too, but I think is good to let the tongue experience different sensantions until your brain really corrects its function/posture.

I hope that helps

 

 

Once i could get a suction hold, but now i can't for some reason. I always swallow with the push method no matter what. I never understood sweeping, so i havent done that. I've tried tongue chewing some times, and i got more gum ordered so i'll keep doing it. I'm pretty sure my posture is fine, my spine too. I nearly never breath with my mouth, only when exercising.

I see, I think its important that you get the vacuum/suction hold. Mike Mew implied in one comment that the push swallow helps to get the suction hold, so... in theory the push swallow you are doing should help with that as well. But  it could be good if you complement that with the suction hold exercise as well.

There is a also a video where John Mew gives tips on tongue proper position, where he first says to bring the tongue with suction on the palate and then he mentions the nnnnng. So I suppose the nnnng alone is not enough(?). Maybe it brings the tongue in proper position but without the proper function/force. 

I say this also, because I started using the nngg again recently, since I feel it helps alot with the back third. But after a while my tongue started feeling tense and I woke up with my tongue on the floor of the mouth, which was a big disappointment.

So, I think its better to use the nnng in conjuction with other exercises that stimulate the swallowing and breathing reflexes (at least thats my experience).

I also feel that with the suction hold, my lungs/diaphragm raise as well a little bit, helping my breathing.

EDIT:

On the other hand, there is also the possibility that you're on the right track, but the changes in your skull are yet to come in balance with each other. But thats why its important to make measurements and photos to be sure.

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I see, I think its important that you get the vacuum/suction hold. Mike Mew implied in one comment that the push swallow helps to get the suction hold, so... in theory the push swallow you are doing should help with that as well. But  it could be good if you complement that with the suction hold exercise as well.

There is a also a video where John Mew gives tips on tongue proper position, where he first says to bring the tongue with suction on the palate and then he mentions the nnnnng. So I suppose the nnnng alone is not enough(?). Maybe it brings the tongue in proper position but without the proper function/force. 

I say this also, because I started using the nngg again recently, since I feel it helps alot with the back third. But after a while my tongue started feeling tense and I woke up with my tongue on the floor of the mouth, which was a big disappointment.

So, I think its better to use the nnng in conjuction with other exercises that stimulate the swallowing and breathing reflexes (at least thats my experience).

I also feel that with the suction hold, my lungs/diaphragm raise as well a little bit, helping my breathing.

EDIT:

On the other hand, there is also the possibility that you're on the right track, but the changes in your skull are yet to come in balance with each other. But thats why its important to make measurements and photos to be sure.

 

What exercises are you doing to keep the tongue sucked on the roof of your mouth?

Since I dont have a lot of time at the moment and have a lot of stress, I'm only comfortable with a couple of ones. 

The push/cheesy swallow and suction hold with water and saliva are my favorites at the moment. But introducing others help a lot, like pranayamas, pulsating the tongue on the palate, massaging the palate with the tongue (and viceversa), pushing the tongue on the palate, suctioning it, etc. I will keep using the nnng/ ning as well.

The thing that has helped me the most is Body mapping created by Barbara and William Conable, which is a somatic method, where you correct errors in your body image in your brain -which dictate movement- so they function properly and become balanced/aligned. In case of the tongue, it would be to map it as part of the skull (functionally), or to make more sense, to map the roof of the mouth as the tongue's home. All the exercises above help with that, since brains, not only that of humans, map their body and surroundings through touch, movement and other senses. Thats what helps me wake up with the tongue on the roof of the mouth.

Everybody does this subconsciously, some faster than others. But when you do it consciously its amazing all the benefits you can get (as long as you know the errors/misconceptions in the map). It helps too, in that you become embodied, grounded and your body awareness increases tremendously. Anyway, its more effective when you have free time to do it, since its not so easy. 

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Since I dont have a lot of time at the moment and have a lot of stress, I'm only comfortable with a couple of ones. 

The push/cheesy swallow and suction hold with water and saliva are my favorites at the moment. But introducing others help a lot, like pranayamas, pulsating the tongue on the palate, massaging the palate with the tongue (and viceversa), pushing the tongue on the palate, suctioning it, etc. I will keep using the nnng/ ning as well.

The thing that has helped me the most is Body mapping created by Barbara and William Conable, which is a somatic method, where you correct errors in your body image in your brain -which dictate movement- so they function properly and become balanced/aligned. In case of the tongue, it would be to map it as part of the skull (functionally), or to make more sense, to map the roof of the mouth as the tongue's home. All the exercises above help with that, since brains, not only that of humans, map their body and surroundings through touch, movement and other senses. Thats what helps me wake up with the tongue on the roof of the mouth.

Everybody does this subconsciously, some faster than others. But when you do it consciously its amazing all the benefits you can get (as long as you know the errors/misconceptions in the map). It helps too, in that you become embodied, grounded and your body awareness increases tremendously. Anyway, its more effective when you have free time to do it, since its not so easy. 

 

I think ill begin to do the suction hold. I actually just noticed that i have a slight cross bite, and when i relax my jaw a little it starts to click, so there might be a teeth or jaw problem. Just asking how your jaw is being used when mewing; Is it fully relaxed or a little bit in action?

Edit: Also in the mew push swallow episode he tells the woman to say the "n" sound to find the end point, which is the incisive papilla. When i do that it doesn't end up on the incisive papilla, but instead more to the right. I think that is because my upper jaw is asymmetrical. I've actually tried forcing my tongue on the incisive papilla, but that made my nose more asymmetrical, and when i do it more to the right it doesn't feel like i get as much pressure. So i'm in a really weird situation right now.

At the moment I don't consider myself as the best example since I'm on a journey to relearn mewing after unfortunate incidents. But before that, I remember having mandible muscles free of tension (sort of relaxed but not hanging/collapsed). I just let the mandibles bone support the muscles. I also felt the muscles where active/ toned (possibly through chewing), but I wasn't doing anything that consciously. When I now do a suction hold/push swallow I also feel the jaw muscles are able to free. The tongue feels independent from the jaw and floor of the mouth. I mean, when one opens the mouth and moves the mandible form side to side, the tongue doesn't feel dragged down with it.

Yeah, try the suction hold to see what happens, but I would also keep doing the nnng/sing as a complement (in case you wanted to stop with that).

What I understand is that mewing helps with asymmetry in the long run, or at least it shouldn't worsen it. You want to feel the pressure evenly distributed on the palate. There are people who try to push the less developed side, but I think it's best to just correct the posture and wait for things to balance out.

When there is a lot of doubt about the tongue's position, I find it useful to relax it from time to time. Tension diminishes sensation, which is important to be able to feel the tongue's position. It also prevents the muscle to move as they should. (with that I don't mean to let it fall on the roof of the mouth, just relax it while it's still on the roof of the mouth).

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At the moment I don't consider myself as the best example since I'm on a journey to relearn mewing after unfortunate incidents. But before that, I remember having mandible muscles free of tension (sort of relaxed but not hanging/collapsed). I just let the mandibles bone support the muscles. I also felt the muscles where active/ toned (possibly through chewing), but I wasn't doing anything that consciously. When I now do a suction hold/push swallow I also feel the jaw muscles are able to free. The tongue feels independent from the jaw and floor of the mouth. I mean, when one opens the mouth and moves the mandible form side to side, the tongue doesn't feel dragged down with it.

Yeah, try the suction hold to see what happens, but I would also keep doing the nnng/sing as a complement (in case you wanted to stop with that).

What I understand is that mewing helps with asymmetry in the long run, or at least it shouldn't worsen it. You want to feel the pressure evenly distributed on the palate. There are people who try to push the less developed side, but I think it's best to just correct the posture and wait for things to balance out.

When there is a lot of doubt about the tongue's position, I find it useful to relax it from time to time. Tension diminishes sensation, which is important to be able to feel the tongue's position. It also prevents the muscle to move as they should. (with that I don't mean to let it fall on the roof of the mouth, just relax it while it's still on the roof of the mouth).

 

I just don't think mewing on the incisive papilla would benefit me. I tried do it for a couple of days and it made my nose my asymmetrical. I really don't wanna do it again, cuz i think it would just get worse. But then again when i mew more to the right, it feels like my mandible doesn't get affected. I honestly don't know what to do at this point.

Okay, and what if you place the blade of your tongue behind the first ridge instead? Or anywhere behind/on the palatine rugae? Some myofunctional therapists recommend that, so it's not as if you would be doing something crazy.

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Okay, and what if you place the blade of your tongue behind the first ridge instead? Or anywhere behind the palatine rugae? Some myofunctional therapists recommend that, so it's not as if you would be doing something crazy.

I could try that. Maybe by following the middle ridge from the start and then stop behind the palatine rugae?

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Okay, and what if you place the blade of your tongue behind the first ridge instead? Or anywhere behind/on the palatine rugae? Some myofunctional therapists recommend that, so it's not as if you would be doing something crazy.

 

I live in Denmark, i think the only one i can talk to here is a dentist, not sure though.

Maybe just where the slope begins. Or where it feels more comfortable. But not too far back.

But if you try that and still feel that everything gets worse, I would just contact a Myofunctional therapist if possible. 

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Maybe just where the slope begins. Or where it feels more comfortable. But not too far back.

But if you try that and still feel that everything gets worse, I would just contact a Myofunctional therapist if possible. 

 

I'll do that, thanks for all the help.

Oops, sorry that I erased my previous edit. 

I've heard Sarah Hornsby does free Skype consultations. 

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Oops, sorry that I erased my previous edit. 

I've heard Sarah Hornsby does free Skype consultations. 

So last night i tried not to engage my posterior 3rd fully, and after some time my nose began to make some cracking sounds, and there wasn't much pressure on it anymore. I might be doing something wrong, i just don't know what.

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Oops, sorry that I erased my previous edit. 

I've heard Sarah Hornsby does free Skype consultations. 

So last night i tried not to engage my posterior 3rd fully, and after some time my nose began to make some cracking sounds, and there wasn't much pressure on it anymore. I might be doing something wrong, i just don't know what.

Why do you want to stop engaging your posterior third fully? If anything thats what will help you with your asymmetry, or at least fill your facial structure so that its not so noticeable. 

You mentioned you were anxious and depressed lately. From my own experience I can say everything looks worse, when one has anxiety. Try to keep that under control (I know, easier said than done).

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Oops, sorry that I erased my previous edit. 

I've heard Sarah Hornsby does free Skype consultations. 

So last night i tried not to engage my posterior 3rd fully, and after some time my nose began to make some cracking sounds, and there wasn't much pressure on it anymore. I might be doing something wrong, i just don't know what.

Why do you want to stop engaging your posterior third fully? If anything thats what will help you with your asymmetry, or at least fill your facial structure so that its not so noticeable. 

You mentioned you were anxious and depressed lately. From my own experience I can say everything looks worse, when one has anxiety. Try to keep that under control (I know, easier said than done).

Well when i had the posterior third engaged, it put so much pressure on my nose to to the point, where i couldnt handle it. I didn't even put intentional pressure, just the amount that you get from saying "nngg". 

I've seen what  Darkindigo has to say, i'm not quite sure if it's true, but im still concerned since i can relate. Lately  my face has gotten extremely short and my asymmetry has gotten worse. I keep my tongue where it lands when i swallow or say the "N" sound, i keep good posture, i swallow correctly, i chew a lot on my food, i basically do what mike says in his vids. I went to the dentist yesterday which said i had a perfect bite, so nothings wrong there i guess. I just don't get how this has worsened how i look, i legit looked better before mewing and it's making me frustrated. I don't know if i should keep mewing, i'm kinda scared if my situation will get worse. 

How old are you?

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How old are you?

I'm 17

Wait how did my comment end up here, i made it as a thread?

@sebastian, sorry for my late reply, I've had a lot of hard work for the last couple of weeks.

So you say you have strange sensations either way : when you engage the whole posterior third vs. only a little bit. So it makes sense to me, to place it as one should, as long as you don't have excruciating pain.

I am no professional and can't really asses your situation, but I would find it reassuring when a dentist tells you, you have a perfect bite. If the whole journey makes you anxious I would just look for a consultation with a myofunctional therapist. There are many who work online as well. At least you won't feel alone and they can tell you whether you are on the right track or not. 

Other thing I have to say, is that many of us have poor development, and when we start to mew in the right way, the first changes may not seem favourable at the beginning, but with time they will make sense and come into balance with the rest of the face/body features (at both physical and perceptive level). But for that, as I already said, it's important to document with photos and measurements.