Hi there, first I'd like to say that this community gives me hope, hope that I will feel like gravity is my friend again... if not friend then at least not the worst enemy.
Now about my case, I 5-6 years ago I developed scoliosis (I'm 27 now), and from the start it was kind of odd, I had much more discomfort and pain than people with the same severity of scoliosis as I have. I couldn't sit down, I couldn't stand in place, all the time I felt like some force is just twisting and crushing me. I have tried everything... and really put the effort into it, with the combination of knowledge and skill that I got in the past years, I am really capable to create forces that are reversing my problem... but the thing is, it feels like Sisyphus work, because I have to work so hard to get a slight improvement, but as soon as I stop and do everyday activity, it goes all back so fast.
Lately I have been investigating the correlations between the skull and posture, and I believe I have found the reason behind this damn force that is taking such a huge toll on my physical and mental health. I have also read some papers on asymmetrical tooth extraction having great correlation with scoliosis.
So when I was 16 or so, they have extracted a healthy tooth (the 2nd bicuspid, or 2nd premolar), in the upper right part of my jaw (because of crowded teeth, bad decision, yea I know) and added braces on that. As a result, now I have facial, maxilla and upper palate asymmetry and the row of teeth on that side is more "collapsed", the arch is also a narrower. I also need to mention that the wisdom tooth on the side where the extraction was has grown already, and the wisdom tooth on the other side, is making its way trough, I can feel its forces on the jaw.
One more important thing to add to all this mix is that they tried to put braces on my lower teeth as well, they put bands on my molars and then aborted the whole process, but when removing the bands, 1 of my molars got somewhat deformed and leaning inward a whole lot, I lost contact of my right molars when biting ever since. I remember having right side neck stiffness after the event.
I believe this asymmetry is the root of my problem, and if I manage to fix my skull, with more exercise, I will manage to fix my whole skeletal system in a way.
Thank you for existing, this community, and thank you Dr. Mew for all you do.
Can I create space in the jaw, in the same position that tooth should have been and get an implant? or Should I maybe extract the wisdom tooth I was mentioning, that is making its way trough, on the opposite side?
This seems more complicated that what can be advised over the internet, but I would be very hesitant to have any further extractions unless my wisdom teeth were already impacted. Have you read through CP's experience on claimingpower.com? He did what you are asking about on both sides. It seems like the right orthodontist could reopen the space where your bicuspid was supposed to be and put in an implant. You'll just have to find the right orthodontist. To make room for your wisdom teeth and the bicuspid implant you'd probably need to expand your maxillary arch, so it would be beneficial to start practicing proper oral posture ASAP.
Yea I agree on the extraction being the worse choice, but at this point I can feel the growing wisdom tooth generating a lot of asymmetrical forces on the skull, as it is trying to make space for itself, but only on one side, as on the missing tooth side it grew easy. Founding dr. Mew on youtube is how I got on this site in the first place, so I started to do proper oral posture like 3 weeks ago - tongue on roof of mouth, applying pressure with the back 3rd of the tongue, I'm also using the "suction" technique" for holding the tongue on the roof of the mouth. I can tell you only using the tongue as a muscle to hold your maxila, I could already feel a part of the pressure off of my skeletal system going away. I know no one can tell me just like this over the internet what's best for my situation without proper examination, I just wanted to hear opinions on creating the missing space and getting an implant, and opinions on asymmetrical missing teeth on body posture in general, maybe some of you have a similar situation struggling with body posture.
So... today I mewed like I never mewed before, I could feel that soft pain of teeth moving on my right side (the "collapsed" one), I could feel my spine is more stable... good things. Actually I can feel that soft pain the most at the place where my missing tooth should be, and if I check that place out with the tip of my tongue, I can feel like a little gap has been created.
I have a few questions regarding this tho...
If I have more teeth on my left side (that including a half grown wisdom tooth that is pushing that side), could those forces push all my teeth towards that gap, moving my whole bite to the right?
Should I already try to push a micro splint between the teeth I want the space to be created anyway, thus also protecting me from my assumption of bite movement?
Maybe, but I don't have any idea how you would attempt this independently. I've listed below some of CP's articles about reopening the spaces where his bicuspids were extracted. There are some good before-and-after comparison pictures of his impressions, some pictures of his braces opening the gap, and some details about his collaboration with his orthodontist and oral surgeon.
Adult Palate Expansion 2015 – Before & After, Extraction Orthodontics Reversed, Bicuspid Spaces Regained: http://claimingpower.com/adult-palate-expansion-2/
Re-Opening Bicuspid Extraction, Progress Report: http://claimingpower.com/reopen-bicuspid-extraction/
Ceraroot Implant After Reversing Extraction Orthodontics: http://claimingpower.com/ceraroot-implant/
Adult Palate Expansion, Progress Report. Is it possible to expand the mandible?: http://claimingpower.com/adult-palate-expansion/
Interesting stuff - thanks for the info, and it's encouraging to know it is possible, but I need to clarify the asymmetry part of my problem, all these are symmetrical. And the asymmetry is what bothers me the most.
Obviously I need to visit a good ortho... but I'm living in a small town in Croatia, where orthos are still pulling out healthy teeth, yet alone if I ask them about these things, I really don't know where to start searching. As I understood the orthos from your articles above are from America? If anyone knows any European orthos that could possibly do this, let me know, keep in mind I'm not in the best financial situation (read 0 savings), but I would borrow/gather everything I have if I knew a guy could actually help me. Obviously at first I thought I could visit mike, but now I understand he is too busy. I don't know if it will be possible to get mikes quick advice over the internet anyhow, maybe in a future Q/A video.
p.s. don't know if any of you guys get a sore tongue from hard mewing, I can feel my tongue is irritated on the side it gets more pressure, because its soft tissue pressed against hard teeth its kinda impossible not to touch the sharp bits of the tooth with a part of the tongue at least
Interesting stuff - thanks for the info, and it's encouraging to know it is possible, but I need to clarify the asymmetry part of my problem, all these are symmetrical. And the asymmetry is what bothers me the most.
Obviously I need to visit a good ortho... but I'm living in a small town in Croatia, where orthos are still pulling out healthy teeth, yet alone if I ask them about these things, I really don't know where to start searching. As I understood the orthos from your articles above are from America? If anyone knows any European orthos that could possibly do this, let me know, keep in mind I'm not in the best financial situation (read 0 savings), but I would borrow/gather everything I have if I knew a guy could actually help me. Obviously at first I thought I could visit mike, but now I understand he is too busy. I don't know if it will be possible to get mikes quick advice over the internet anyhow, maybe in a future Q/A video.
p.s. don't know if any of you guys get a sore tongue from hard mewing, I can feel my tongue is irritated on the side it gets more pressure, because its soft tissue pressed against hard teeth its kinda impossible not to touch the sharp bits of the tooth with a part of the tongue at least
Hi Fika, I understand how asymmetric extraction makes your situation different than CP's, but some of the treatment might be the same. There aren't any International Association of Facial Growth Guidance members listed in Croatia ( https://orthotropics.com/find-orthotropics/ ), but there are several elsewhere in Europe. There might be orthodontists in Croatia who are on board with orthotropic principles but aren't members. Searching for practitioners who offer treatment with one of the palate expander appliances might be a good proxy. My understanding is that you can pay Dr. Mew for an online consultation about your specific case ( http://www.orthodontichealth.co.uk/book-a-consultation/ ), but I don't have any idea if this would be worth the expense. If Dr. Mew does another Q&A video, he might answer questions about how to find clinicians in your area, but he wouldn't get into the specifics of your situation. I am currently focusing more on passive oral posture than the "hard mewing" you describe. Either way, when you push up with your tongue, it shouldn't be making contact with the cusps of the teeth. Swallowing with the tongue between the teeth is part of the problem. If you have a narrow palate, this might require folding the tongue up into the roof of the mouth.
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