I used to have a melted face, but now it looks a little more forward growth. By melted you can probably guess what I mean:
1.Very vertical jaw growth
2.Weak chin/recessed
3.Short ramus on jaw, which explains high gonial angle
4.No evident protrusion of midface region, orbital area, cheekbones, etc. very much.
5.Face from slight angle or profile looks like it's more downsloped, flat-ish -- basically like a wax figurine that someone put fire next to.
I see people like this every now and then and wonder if it's improper bone development or genetics -- or both. Mike Mew says that this phenotype is not correct growth -- that a face should have forward development to the point where this "melted" look shouldn't exist or should be minimal at the least.
Perhaps the focus on the "ante face" is what is the key difference is. The definition of the ante face is that the midface and lower third (from maxilla and zygo process to chin and general mandible angle) should protrude together -- something like lips in line with brow ridge and chin at least as far forward as the lips. Nevertheless, the idea of the ante face and proper forward growth centers around -- according to Mike Mew -- your jaw or mandible angle. If you have a high angle jaw, which means a short ramus and a long gonial angle (like a small slide that starts from just under your ears to your chin) then I don't think this growth can be considered "optimal" since there's no mention of proper growth in line with this.
The problem is that some people have this measurement balanced, but still look "melted" -- so the problem could be the cheekbones or infraorbital region + maxilla size/placement and midface length overall, I suppose. Also, some people have the phenotype but DON'T look melted for some reason.
Examples of some of the melted look of varying degrees of severity:
Minimal case
More severe cases:
** The face pulling "bag method" -- /community/community/main-forum/face-pulling/#post-3902 **
** Keengo Chin Tuck method w/force (WIP)-- /community/community/main-forum/chin-tuck-with-added-force-chin-tuck-2-0-new-theory-inside/ **
Whether things like lips or brow or chin line up a specific way are not important. Keep in mind most of these standards are based on people of European descent.
Also, recessed people don't necessarily need a weak chin. My recession actually made my chin protrude. It was after braces that my extractions on the mandible made my chin sink in further but this was entirely unnatural.
I have a feeling orthodontics makes recession worse and creates unnatural looks .
Whether things like lips or brow or chin line up a specific way are not important. Keep in mind most of these standards are based on people of European descent.
Also, recessed people don't necessarily need a weak chin. My recession actually made my chin protrude. It was after braces that my extractions on the mandible made my chin sink in further but this was entirely unnatural.
I have a feeling orthodontics makes recession worse and creates unnatural looks .
Yeah. I am of European descent (Spanish/British background). I know my phenotype is a longer face, but a long face doesn't necessarily have to be poorly down grown. There is the "tall face" or "TAF" face (tall, angular face) look that goes with a head naturally longer between upper/middle/lower thirds. I think it'd be pointless seeing a maxillofacial surgeon specifically to ask them about genetic vs. environment since even they probably can't be sure if a down grown face is genetic or environmental -- it becomes the nature/nurture debate and it'd be just as pointless as brainstorming it yourself or posting pictures on The Apricity/Lookism/etc. and seeing what the conjecture becomes.
I guess there'd be no way to really know, but I know from Lookism standards I'm "recessed and boneless" so I still have some idea that it's not-so-ideal development. Even if you're not "robust" with bone structure, poor orbital rims/tear trough deformity (like I have) is a pretty clear sign of poor development. Even with some improvement with mewing/face pulling/some chin tucking it hasn't done anything for infraorbitals.
I just don't get why some people become "down grown" or more "melted" and others don't, even with same posture.
** The face pulling "bag method" -- /community/community/main-forum/face-pulling/#post-3902 **
** Keengo Chin Tuck method w/force (WIP)-- /community/community/main-forum/chin-tuck-with-added-force-chin-tuck-2-0-new-theory-inside/ **
Heh. I have Spanish and minimal British ancestry myself. Spaniards are stereotyped as "horsefaced" probably because of the narrow Mediterranean skull. A narrow skull alone is not cfd but narrow skulled people I read can have cfd more magnified due to their narrow features.
I have noticed either my skull widening or my cheeks and temporalis getting more prominent. Makes me think I may not be as narrow as I thought
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