Talking about eating patterns and how they shape our face, I searched for a video of Bruce Willis eating (since he has a very long lip) and indeed he seems to use his lips a lot while eating, shrinking them, streching the upper lip downwards, sometimes the upper lip seems to tuck in below the upper teeth. Here are some examples:
All this makes me wonder how much or at what point can we mold ourselves with our habits. What do you think?
Even though he seem to have a long lip since he was a kid, so I don't know 
A long lip is actually due to higher prenatal testosterone exposure. Men have traditionally longer, wider, and thinner lips. Women have shorter, narrower, and more everted (pouty) lips.
Within this, variations exist. Some men have more feminine mouth areas and vice versa. Personally I don't see anything off about his mouth. If you want to talk long lips, google Stephen King. That man's philtrum was long enough for him to name his own publishing company after it.
But the fact that some men have longer lips is actually due to what I wrote above most of the time. Also, men who want thinner lips need to understand that in order to maintain masculine aesthetic balance, their lips have to lengthen to make up for less pout. A male face with a short lip and short philtrum looks off. Over on lookism years ago they made a morph of John Cena with a short lip and he looked ugly. Goes to show short lips are not a very aesthetic quality on men. Some people think George Clooney has a long lip but if you morph him with a short lip he looks off.
Facial balance is never one size fits all which is why I caution people against desiring features of other people. Especially online where universal androgynous standards are applied to both sexes for some reason. You have men complaining about features they deem unaesthetic on themselves when in fact they are just part of nature. Same thing with women who may want something like a low gonial angle and very developed mandible which is actually quite masculine. Or men who get lip fillers. Many times the features that we think make us ugly aren't what contributes to our facial imbalances.
A long lip is actually due to higher prenatal testosterone exposure. Men have traditionally longer, wider, and thinner lips. Women have shorter, narrower, and more everted (pouty) lips.
Within this, variations exist. Some men have more feminine mouth areas and vice versa. Personally I don't see anything off about his mouth. If you want to talk long lips, google Stephen King. That man's philtrum was long enough for him to name his own publishing company after it.
But the fact that some men have longer lips is actually due to what I wrote above most of the time. Also, men who want thinner lips need to understand that in order to maintain masculine aesthetic balance, their lips have to lengthen to make up for less pout. A male face with a short lip and short philtrum looks off. Over on lookism years ago they made a morph of John Cena with a short lip and he looked ugly. Goes to show short lips are not a very aesthetic quality on men. Some people think George Clooney has a long lip but if you morph him with a short lip he looks off.
Facial balance is never one size fits all which is why I caution people against desiring features of other people. Especially online where universal androgynous standards are applied to both sexes for some reason. You have men complaining about features they deem unaesthetic on themselves when in fact they are just part of nature. Same thing with women who may want something like a low gonial angle and very developed mandible which is actually quite masculine. Or men who get lip fillers. Many times the features that we think make us ugly aren't what contributes to our facial imbalances.
I've always thought actor Sam Witwer has nice facial development, but strangely pouty lips:
He does have some odd looking lips. I think it's because his palate is narrow. Pouty lips and narrow on men look rather strange for sure. I don't mean full lips either as it is possible to have full lips that don't pout too much. I have noticed since I have been mewing my mandible has come forward more so my lip pout has decreased . Now since my phenotype is one of fuller lips , my lip fullness remains but the pout is very much decreasing. I feel this is because my upper lip is making its way forward and my nose is straightening.
I have noticed since I have been mewing my mandible has come forward more so my lip pout has decreased . Now since my phenotype is one of fuller lips , my lip fullness remains but the pout is very much decreasing. I feel this is because my upper lip is making its way forward and my nose is straightening.
I don't think I have achieved much forward movement yet, but I have increased my intermolar width by 2-1/2mm using an expander. I'm pretty sure the bridge of my nose is less asymmetric. Before I started, I measured the bridge of my nose at about 4mm left of center, and now it looks to be less than 3mm left of center. My left nostril is still significantly wider than my right nostril when I tilt my head back in the mirror. I haven't noticed any change in the shape of my lips. My philtrum length is about 19mm long. My lip covers more than 1/4 of my upper incisors when I smile. I'm hoping that I will get more incisor display and a shorter philtrum if I can shift my maxilla forward. I agree that women tend to have shorter philtrums than men, but mine is longer than the average I have seen in studies.
I have noticed since I have been mewing my mandible has come forward more so my lip pout has decreased . Now since my phenotype is one of fuller lips , my lip fullness remains but the pout is very much decreasing. I feel this is because my upper lip is making its way forward and my nose is straightening.
I don't think I have achieved much forward movement yet, but I have increased my intermolar width by 2-1/2mm using an expander. I'm pretty sure the bridge of my nose is less asymmetric. Before I started, I measured the bridge of my nose at about 4mm left of center, and now it looks to be less than 3mm left of center. My left nostril is still significantly wider than my right nostril when I tilt my head back in the mirror. I haven't noticed any change in the shape of my lips. My philtrum length is about 19mm long. My lip covers more than 1/4 of my upper incisors when I smile. I'm hoping that I will get more incisor display and a shorter philtrum if I can shift my maxilla forward. I agree that women tend to have shorter philtrums than men, but mine is longer than the average I have seen in studies.
How long is your lower lip from vermillion border to bottom of chin? I hear a good ratio between that and philtrum is between 1:2 and 1:2.2-2.5 or something. If you have a large skull the actual millimeters will he larger than average but ratios matter more. My philtrum is 15 mm but my skull is just average size (23 inches).
John Cena, George Clooney are two guys with long philtrums who are considered attractive. But Stephen King isn't and it's partially because his lower lip seems to be close to a 1:1 ratio where the other guys have a more 1:2
How long is your lower lip from vermillion border to bottom of chin? I hear a good ratio between that and philtrum is between 1:2 and 1:2.2-2.5 or something. If you have a large skull the actual millimeters will he larger than average but ratios matter more. My philtrum is 15 mm but my skull is just average size (23 inches).
John Cena, George Clooney are two guys with long philtrums who are considered attractive. But Stephen King isn't and it's partially because his lower lip seems to be close to a 1:1 ratio where the other guys have a more 1:2
My philtrum is about 19mm and the distance from below the vermillion of my lower lip to the bottom of my chin is about 33mm. So the ratio is about 1:1.74 ( i.e. my philtrum is longer than the 1:2+ ratio you mentioned).
How long is your lower lip from vermillion border to bottom of chin? I hear a good ratio between that and philtrum is between 1:2 and 1:2.2-2.5 or something. If you have a large skull the actual millimeters will he larger than average but ratios matter more. My philtrum is 15 mm but my skull is just average size (23 inches).
John Cena, George Clooney are two guys with long philtrums who are considered attractive. But Stephen King isn't and it's partially because his lower lip seems to be close to a 1:1 ratio where the other guys have a more 1:2My philtrum is about 19mm and the distance from below the vermillion of my lower lip to the bottom of my chin is about 33mm. So the ratio is about 1:1.74 ( i.e. my philtrum is longer than the 1:2+ ratio you mentioned).
Ah ok. Makes sense to want it shorter. Have you found any change in the ratio yet?
My philtrum length hasn't changed. I assume the distance from my chin to the vermilion of my lower lip hasn't changed either, but I haven't been keeping track. I wrote about this in my thread about smile aesthetics ( /community/community/main-forum/elements-of-smile-aesthetics-and-craniofacial-dystrophy/#post-1663 ). There's been some speculation that exercises which involve raising the upper lip, including open-mouth chewing, might shorten the philtrum length, but as I mentioned in the other thread, this is only one factor that determines how much of the teeth are covered by the upper lip when smiling. If I am able to achieve forward growth it should improve my incisor display. I also believe that braces flattened my smile arc, and I might need to eventually use clear aligners to extrude my upper central incisors.
That thing about OMC makes sense. My fear with OMC is that it may allow teeth tipping due to lip atrophy and thus the lips can't keep the teeth in place due to being under utilized. My fear with OMC is it may cause light bimax as I have read that people with bimax have weaker lips.
But honestly for philtrum shortening it does make sense based on that.
Now I'm also worried about teeth tipping, are we sure OMC causes it though? Or, are we sure lips are the ones containing the teeth?
I am not sure. What I do know is that bimax people have trouble keeping their lips closed. I don't know that the research says bimax is caused by OMC though. What I do know is people with bimax have weak lips and short philtrums
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