Hello everybody!
I started mewing 1 year ago. I never had many problems with jaw but I did not have a very big chin and I breathed from mouth during sleep so my face was bad, I had deep lines and such.
I began to hard mew because it was considered very nice and I had to somehow fit my tongue there. I noticed discomfort to my tongue that went away soon after. I also notice after months that my upper palate left deeper but I think it’s just placebo. At night I would have snoring problem because from putting my tongue up all the way to soft palate, it collapsed when I sleep on my back. Then I stopped going that far back and only rest tongue and push a bit only to the hard palate. This fixed snoring!
Few months after, I notice a lot of different things. One, my nose seemed to have risen up a bit, I can tell because of position of nose cartilage to nostrils. I also notice I got 2 bone lines on the sides of my forehead and they did not stop to grow until I stopped mewing now. I also notice my cheek bone was very prominent now. Very, I mean it didn’t come down to my nose but it became more bulging and I had this model line between cheekbone and jaw. I also notice I had much less lines and bad face. I notice I had a much more prominent lower jaw and some chin more. It was same size ofc but now did not hide inside my turkey neck. I notice those lines I told u in my forehead, they start from end of my eye area, they were supposed to be much less but they bulge and bone went a bit like “)” shape. But most noticeable thing was my muscles. Jaw muscles to chew became strong and also the one in my temples near the “( )” shape bones, bulging when I chew.
I notice face was getting a bit out of hand. I did not like forehead. Also the front of forehead that was like uphill direction became more square LOL! And last thing, I felt my upper palate is now wider or a bit deeper? I also notice some pressure under cheeckbone from time to time when mewing a bit hard.
I am 27 years old.
These were my changes. I develop tinnitus now few weeks ago. Hearing tests all fine, no disorders, all fine except two things: ETD and discomfort to my jaw muscles also my jaw makes click and crack sounds and when I yawn I can’t hear pop to ears, nothing happens.
I never had such problems before mewing. Also from when I start mewing, my face became heavier especially jaw and it sort of messed my neck. I have very good feeling of my body so I monitor all those things always. I told you my jaw and chin were a bit smaller and inside my neck, now mewing made them go out and made a feeling like they drag my upper neck with them. I don’t look up or bend neck to do this, I keep neck straight and I can see clearly that maxilla and jaw are now square and more out.
Last thing I notice, I change my tongue posture now from fear of tinnitus. My face slowly becomes like old time haha, lines form to cheeks but jaw is kind of same.
So this is my story! My problem is tinnitus. It happen to both ears one night, high pitch eeeeee made me panic. First two weeks no sleep anxiety and super tension to all my jaw and cheek and eyes, ears clogged, took Cortisone end of week one and I think helped a LOT. But no resolve and discomfort still present in mostly my jaw muscles and sometimes under cheek bone.
I have two feelings in my mouth: one is, as if my upper teeth became a tiny bit wider and so now they overlap my low teeth (my overbite did increase a tiny bit) and two is, I could FEEL for MONTHS prior to tinnitus that my back teeth upper from lower have more of a gap between them so my bite felt longer and heavier, more tense! So this I think made my temple muscle bulge! Now that I stop, it is coming down I swear... bones not changed but everything else is sort of coming down a bit. Oh I also have misalignment to my bite my lower jaw goes to right side but I had this long before mewing.
I appreciate if u read my story so far. My question is what could mewing do to make this happen? Which muscles could I have effected to come to this and cause tinnitus? I saw 2 panoramic xrays of me and they look the same exactly lol. I will upload them!
Could this be from ETD doctor says? I have more pressure than normal to my middle ear but no fluid. If I swallow I hear little crlrlc sound. If I yawn now after weeks I hear same sound very small. First couldn’t hear anything. If I don’t move mouth and jaw and just tense the Eustachian tubes I can equalize nice many times but NOT when I lie down... it makes same crlclrc sound.
ENT say probably ETD cause tinnitus. He say sinus is clear and tube opening looks clear too. He say it’s mechanical issue, I tell him I did mewing he told me “what is mewing”. Nice...
I ask here because it’s the mewing forum, someone must know. I can feel it that mewing cause me to get tinnitus. No problem with mewing but I want to fix it. I read a post about craniafacial dystrophy and other weird stuff.
Could I have lifted my jaw closer to inner ear and cause problem? Could I have irritated the trigeminal nerve and make all my face get this discomfort? I felt like my face could blow up, ears most of all. Two days before tinnitus, I felt weird. My SCM muscle was a bit weird too. My ears were itching, I hear SCM can do that. One month before tinnitus I could only sleep on my stomach and turn head to side. Upper neck between mastoid hurt. Wearing a hat also hurt there. Like I said I felt that my jaw and face were more heavy and drag my neck skin.
Any advice I appreciate! Could this be muscle hypertrophy? Any of my changes to face can pinch nerve or cause ETD? What tests can I do to help this? Tinnitus started as high eeee pitch constant no chance ever. After Cortisone, tension became lower and also fullness, pitch lower a bit.
I did therapy. I could not turn head all the way to side now I can. If I turn head to right I get louder T, for a second. If I push jaw forward a lot I get same. If I clench I get very small increase, almost nothing. If I push my jaw to the left all the way few times, I can pop right ear a bit then it goes back to fullness and discomfort. If I yawn or open mouth and tense muscles to try to pop ears, I get a lot of discomfort... like something almost freeze. But NEVER pain. No sensitivity to sounds either!
I can feel it is muscle muscle tension and that my bite is messed up. I can close teeth fine but I feel it isn’t right and jaw isn’t right at that position either. Also I feel sense of discomfort and fragility if I try to clench. As if my mouth tells me don’t do it.
I will visit TMD specialist today... sleep has been very bad. I try to find solution. Any help please?
Give me some time, I will update with xrays!
You are not the first one I've heard to develop tinnitus from hard mewing. For some, pushing upwards on the palatine bone (= the bone that makes up the posterior palate) may not be that good of a thing to do, as it appears to result in unfavourable compression of the mid-facial bones. Just like you, @auxiliarus managed to deepen his palate too, feeling that this caused undesirable changes. Now he is doing the opposite of what he was previously doing, which is what could turn out to be very therapeutic in your case, in addition to the professional help. In short, try to suck the area behind your upper front teeth with your anterior tongue. If you do it correctly, your posterior tongue should form a vacuum that will be pulling the palate downwards. Kind of like this:
Wish you a speedy recovery.
You are not the first one I've heard to develop tinnitus from hard mewing. For some, pushing upwards on the palatine bone (= the bone that makes up the posterior palate) may not be that good of a thing to do, as it appears to result in unfavourable compression of the mid-facial bones. Just like you, @auxiliarus managed to deepen his palate too, feeling that this caused undesirable changes. Now he is doing the opposite of what he was previously doing, which is what could turn out to be very therapeutic in your case, in addition to the professional help. In short, try to suck the area behind your upper front teeth with your anterior tongue. If you do it correctly, your posterior tongue should form a vacuum that will be pulling the palate downwards. Kind of like this:
Wish you a speedy recovery.
ROFL! This is brilliant! I never thought of doing that but stopping hard mewing and clenching definitely helped relieve tension. I’ve been doing some reading finding posts such as these: “facial nerve irritation as it exits the stylomastoid formen and passes inferior to the external auditory canal which would be consistent with a focal entrapment or irritative syndrome.”
If I could explain to u what I feel happened is like this: I pressed hard and I sort of changed the angle of my upper palate by few degrees the further you go BACK, not front, even tho I mostly pressed hard palate. So now my teeth, feel like front don’t match so much and back teeth have wider distance low from upper. This I sensed for months and this I’m sure bulged my temples a bit, in the part you chew. So what I did then was apply more force to CLOSE my mouth which I think started putting more tension. I don’t really have that much of change to my xrays pre mewing and post mewing now after tinnitus started. I’ll upload them in few hours. Maybe I can be a nice experiment case for forum.
Im very interested to know what changes this can cause though. Anatomical changes, I mean. I don’t think I did anything more than slightly lift my maxilla up. Is it possible that I squeezed it in the zygomatic bone? I think the prominence of those areas happened due to muscle hypertrophy, is it really possible that I broke the sutures of my upper palate lol. Everyone told me it’s impossible. Now that I don’t mew, there is gradual recession.
Mate, thank you for this post. Any other info you can throw at me feel free to do so.
I never thought of doing that but stopping hard mewing and clenching definitely helped relieve tension.
Now that you mention it, were you typically clenching while hard mewing? You said that the muscles in your temples (temporalis) were bulging, which points to a 'backward bite'. There are two big masticatory muscles that are attached to the mandible: the temporalii and the masseters. The first one brings the jaw up and back, the second one up and forward:
When you are using the temporalis too much, you may end up dragging the teeth and the palate towards your temples, which would make the bite feel tense, as you noticed happening to you. Then, as the mandibular joint pushes against the ears, this could very well cause tinnitus. In theory, the solution this would be learn to chew/clench up and forward (pure masseter activation), which would drag your teeth away from the ears, alleviating the tension.
Since you also achieved changes that you felt to be improvements, it could be that of your tongue posture and jaw posture, one was correct and the other incorrect. If you were clenching a lot, my guess would be that it was your backward bite that caused the problems, whereas your tongue posture caused the positive improvements (contary to what I suggested in the previous post). Perhaps your x-rays will shed some light to your situation.
I never thought of doing that but stopping hard mewing and clenching definitely helped relieve tension.
Now that you mention it, were you typically clenching while hard mewing? You said that the muscles in your temples (temporalis) were bulging, which points to a 'backward bite'. There are two big masticatory muscles that are attached to the mandible: the temporalii and the masseters. The first one brings the jaw up and back, the second one up and forward:
When you are using the temporalis too much, you may end up dragging the teeth and the palate towards your temples, which would make the bite feel tense, as you noticed happening to you. Then, as the mandibular joint pushes against the ears, this could very well cause tinnitus. In theory, the solution this would be learn to chew/clench up and forward (pure masseter activation), which would drag your teeth away from the ears, alleviating the tension.
Since you also achieved changes that you felt to be improvements, it could be that of your tongue posture and jaw posture, one was correct and the other incorrect. If you were clenching a lot, my guess would be that it was your backward bite that caused the problems, whereas your tongue posture caused the positive improvements (contary to what I suggested in the previous post). Perhaps your x-rays will shed some light to your situation.
Yes I was clenching and when I slept I caught pushing just the tip of my tongue to my middle hard palate sometimes. I was clenching and just pushing all hard palate then many times, felt nice because of face changes. But yes, teeth felt wrong.
My teeth can close normally but it doesn’t feel right to the jaw if that makes sense. It feels a bit like my front meet faster and molars have more distance. I have to “force” the molars a bit to close if u know what I mean, then I get full bite close normally. It also feels just a little like my upper teeth line is a bit wider than lower but dentist said I don’t have bite issue, it’s minimal and also impossible to correct. I tried the reverse suction but feels that any tongue thrust motion I do, or pressure motion, kind of bad for tinnitus.
For backwards bite yes! I feel as if my lower jaw has stayed back. If I chew up by focusing lower jaw movement up and forward it feels a bit as if my front teeth meet sooner and molars can’t but if I do as u say, my temporalis indeed don’t bulge as much (I’m trying now with air I’m in bed).
“Then, as the mandibular joint pushes against the ears, this could very well cause tinnitus.”
YES! I feel like this is what’s happening dude... this little bulge that you feel in skin when you open your jaw? It’s like 1mm from my zygomatic bone not even that. And very close to ear. I had the feeling that I pushed the jaw towards the zygomatic, always had this feeling!!!
i saw a dentist and she said I have extreme muscle tension all over face (she touch pressure points). She said tinnitus may be from joint cartilage and nerve endings there being irritated. I truly think we are on to something here, you and me.
Can you please expand on a possible solution? I keep tongue resting down more now, like letting it rest. Lying down my jaw definitely feels as if it is hanging backwards. I experienced sore throat like others state. No apnea, no snore.
Listing symptoms:
- if I just tense masseters I think and near the ear muscles, without moving mouth and keeping it all closed relaxed, I hear crlcrlc sound in my Eustachian tubes near eardrum.
- if I swallow, same sound
- if I chew food same sound but not rly anymore I have to check tomorrow
- if I yawn, same sound now but at first I could not hear anything. I had massive pressure to masseters, temporalis, under my zygomatic and behind eyes a bit, ears wanted to blow out. When tinnitus started. Cortisone help a bit.
- when I chew food I do kind of like a left to right maneuver. Like how giraffes chew. Kinda. I definitely DONT chew up and out with lower teeth.
Dude I swear I had this instinct vision that what you describe is exactly what’s happening, just couldn’t write in words. You are right to the point here. Please advise further of what I should do and how to approach this. I have access to any scans I want to have and also will see manual therapist for TMJ but I have to be very specific to try to achieve results.
I felt like upper palate went like slowly uphill rising from front to back molars so like, jaw joint rising a bit up. And lower jaw staying there; so some distance created to back teeth when chewing or clenching or closing bite. And also that lower jaw did not come more forward because it can’t, teeth won’t let it, teeth don’t meet well.
i await for your instructions and verdict, you are on to something here!!! Thank you so far!
Also, I try the suction you show me on post 1. I can do it but the back of tongue has to touch to the soft palate a tiny bit to achieve this, I can’t keep whole tongue down except for tip and do full suction, feels impossible. Actually now I trt again and it isn’t impossible but have to initiate suction from actually trying to inhale from nose. I got it now. Feels kind of rough to the lungs and chest, if u know what I mean. Is this enough to reverse the palate issue? Man this feels weird, like I’m pushing negative pressure to my lungs haha.
I’m checking the image out with the temporalis and masseter and it seems like the only way I can get my TMJ to jam the ear is with a very tense masseter that had very bad chewing habits. I don’t see how else. I think it shows too that my zygomatic arch is a bit too prominent as well. Maybe the styloid process behind it is doing something too but I don’t know for sure. I think not.
The more I think about it, the more I think that all hard mewing did was tense the hell out of my masseter and then temporalis with help of a bite that seems normal but is complimenting them during chewing. I have absolutely no idea how I can literally elevate the entire TMJ towards the ear since the maxilla and zygomatic seem to be one bone and all connected to the skull. If I brought them a bit outwards and up, that means my TMJ would just maybe go out of the socket a tiny bit to the front, that’s the only complication I see (which by itself I guess can do the damage). I don’t see anything else though.
@progress I would very much like to talk to you about this, my discord is blessyouall99#2397
you may be saving my life and sanity here, I would be in debt to you.
Also, I try the suction you show me on post 1. I can do it but the back of tongue has to touch to the soft palate a tiny bit to achieve this, I can’t keep whole tongue down except for tip and do full suction, feels impossible.
Ah, yes. In the picture the tongue doesn't touch the palate but in reality it should. I was just illustrating the direction of the forces, with the posterior palate being pulled down and anterior palate pushed forward.
Can you please expand on a possible solution?
At the minimum, stop doing things that aggravate your symptoms. I don't really have much else to add than what I wrote above. These are just things that I think (without seeing you personally) would help you troubleshoot your problem. I don't do discord, but you can send me email at [email protected]
You are not the first one I've heard to develop tinnitus from hard mewing. For some, pushing upwards on the palatine bone (= the bone that makes up the posterior palate) may not be that good of a thing to do, as it appears to result in unfavourable compression of the mid-facial bones. Just like you, @auxiliarus managed to deepen his palate too, feeling that this caused undesirable changes. Now he is doing the opposite of what he was previously doing, which is what could turn out to be very therapeutic in your case, in addition to the professional help. In short, try to suck the area behind your upper front teeth with your anterior tongue. If you do it correctly, your posterior tongue should form a vacuum that will be pulling the palate downwards. Kind of like this:
Wish you a speedy recovery.
ROFL! This is brilliant! I never thought of doing that but stopping hard mewing and clenching definitely helped relieve tension. I’ve been doing some reading finding posts such as these: “facial nerve irritation as it exits the stylomastoid formen and passes inferior to the external auditory canal which would be consistent with a focal entrapment or irritative syndrome.”
If I could explain to u what I feel happened is like this: I pressed hard and I sort of changed the angle of my upper palate by few degrees the further you go BACK, not front, even tho I mostly pressed hard palate. So now my teeth, feel like front don’t match so much and back teeth have wider distance low from upper. This I sensed for months and this I’m sure bulged my temples a bit, in the part you chew. So what I did then was apply more force to CLOSE my mouth which I think started putting more tension. I don’t really have that much of change to my xrays pre mewing and post mewing now after tinnitus started. I’ll upload them in few hours. Maybe I can be a nice experiment case for forum.
Im very interested to know what changes this can cause though. Anatomical changes, I mean. I don’t think I did anything more than slightly lift my maxilla up. Is it possible that I squeezed it in the zygomatic bone? I think the prominence of those areas happened due to muscle hypertrophy, is it really possible that I broke the sutures of my upper palate lol. Everyone told me it’s impossible. Now that I don’t mew, there is gradual recession.
Mate, thank you for this post. Any other info you can throw at me feel free to do so.
A good place to start with would be finding out that the soft palate, to which the tongue is attached to, is actually attached very closely to the ears.
You are not the first one I've heard to develop tinnitus from hard mewing. For some, pushing upwards on the palatine bone (= the bone that makes up the posterior palate) may not be that good of a thing to do, as it appears to result in unfavourable compression of the mid-facial bones. Just like you, @auxiliarus managed to deepen his palate too, feeling that this caused undesirable changes. Now he is doing the opposite of what he was previously doing, which is what could turn out to be very therapeutic in your case, in addition to the professional help. In short, try to suck the area behind your upper front teeth with your anterior tongue. If you do it correctly, your posterior tongue should form a vacuum that will be pulling the palate downwards. Kind of like this:
Wish you a speedy recovery.
ROFL! This is brilliant! I never thought of doing that but stopping hard mewing and clenching definitely helped relieve tension. I’ve been doing some reading finding posts such as these: “facial nerve irritation as it exits the stylomastoid formen and passes inferior to the external auditory canal which would be consistent with a focal entrapment or irritative syndrome.”
If I could explain to u what I feel happened is like this: I pressed hard and I sort of changed the angle of my upper palate by few degrees the further you go BACK, not front, even tho I mostly pressed hard palate. So now my teeth, feel like front don’t match so much and back teeth have wider distance low from upper. This I sensed for months and this I’m sure bulged my temples a bit, in the part you chew. So what I did then was apply more force to CLOSE my mouth which I think started putting more tension. I don’t really have that much of change to my xrays pre mewing and post mewing now after tinnitus started. I’ll upload them in few hours. Maybe I can be a nice experiment case for forum.
Im very interested to know what changes this can cause though. Anatomical changes, I mean. I don’t think I did anything more than slightly lift my maxilla up. Is it possible that I squeezed it in the zygomatic bone? I think the prominence of those areas happened due to muscle hypertrophy, is it really possible that I broke the sutures of my upper palate lol. Everyone told me it’s impossible. Now that I don’t mew, there is gradual recession.
Mate, thank you for this post. Any other info you can throw at me feel free to do so.
A good place to start with would be finding out that the soft palate, to which the tongue is attached to, is actually attached very closely to the ears.
The soft palate isn’t exactly close even tho it looks like it on the images. The muscles responsible for the Eustachian tubes are.
One thing that definitely has been altered is the bite and I think Progress is on to something with his mention about temporalis muscle.
My question is this: I get it that upper palate can receive either expansion or at least a curve from pushing and that pushing is a MUST according to author if the tongue just can’t entirely fit there. Okay. My question is how on earth does the lower jaw then fit with an expanded upper palate? It’s like I got upper and lower teeth fine, then I widen my upper palate and now my lower one just doesn’t fit. I now have a “small jaw”, which is a notorious reason for tinnitus (idk why).
Can someone explain?
Progress writes: Now that you mention it, were you typically clenching while hard mewing? You said that the muscles in your temples (temporalis) were bulging, which points to a 'backward bite'. There are two big masticatory muscles that are attached to the mandible: the temporalii and the masseters. The first one brings the jaw up and back, the second one up and forward:
When you are using the temporalis too much, you may end up dragging the teeth and the palate towards your temples, which would make the bite feel tense, as you noticed happening to you. Then, as the mandibular joint pushes against the ears, this could very well cause tinnitus. In theory, the solution this would be learn to chew/clench up and forward (pure masseter activation), which would drag your teeth away from the ears, alleviating the tension.
Since you also achieved changes that you felt to be improvements, it could be that of your tongue posture and jaw posture, one was correct and the other incorrect. If you were clenching a lot, my guess would be that it was your backward bite that caused the problems, whereas your tongue posture caused the positive improvements (contary to what I suggested in the previous post). Perhaps your x-rays will shed some light to your situation.
@progress could you please expand on what type of X-rays one has to take and what to look for? I feel you’re spot on here as I felt something was pushing behind/under my zygomatic arch which coincidentally is the temporalis muscle, right? I think something has happened here and I think it’s what gives me aural fullness as well, it happens tremendously when I yawn. Upon yawning I put pressure in the masseter muscle I can feel, and it sort of feels like it is creating pressure inside the middle ear when in fact it should be equalizing. ETD does cause tinnitus so...
@Progress I’m reading about mewing and the issue is: placing tongue in proper posture leaves my lower jaw a bit hanging. Trying to close the teeth brings the front ones to touch first and molars touch sort of more difficult. I understand one has to strengthen his muscles to improve that, this includes both masseter and temporalis. My temporalis are seriously overdeveloped from this, so I want to reduce them so I can’t chew hard foods (plus chewing hard foods sort of creates aural pressure and joint pressure, never pain tho).
My temporalis were so grown that they created the two bone lines in my forehead sides and two lines across the sides of my head (like they seriously split the skull bones).
How can one manipulate this? Is it even possible? Mewing my tongue down to my lower jaw provides with a natural forward push to the lower jaw, whereas keeping tongue up I think has the tendency to let the lower jaw fall backwards (as there is no tongue). I hope it makes sense.
@progress very curious to hear your opinion. I think this is an interesting topic.
I think this issue happens more often than people think and supposedly it involves cranial pressure too. Reddit seems to be filled with people asking why they develop ETD all of a sudden and tinnitus. Perhaps the owner of the website can write about this. Mewing should not just be about the basics of what to do, it should be about treating things that go wrong and I fear things can go wrong a lot. I believe my case reflects on many and it is more of a dysfunction on a few levels that CAN be reversed, if valuable information is posted.
ill say it again, @Progress is SPOT ON with his guess about the “backwards bite” and I think more can be said about the way this all affects cranial changes in the temples and the occipital where nerve endings lie. Mr. Mew, either senior or junior, should definitely speak about this, as it isn’t “hard mewing”, it’s the palate expansion itself as stated here to be DONE that I’m afraid is bringing in malocclusion and all sorts of problems.
Since no one replies further to this, the general idea is that hard mewing will result in masticatory muscle imbalances and slight bone remodeling that may or may not contribute to it, however the bite definitely will. This can cause strain in ligaments directly attached to the ear’s ossicles, cause irritation to the nerves passing through the TMJ and/or cause ear structural changes to the tympanic membrane as well.
So, in general, hard mewing = definite 100% complete mess to the entire face and ears through strain, hyperactivity etc.
This explains enough: https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/pain/maxillofacial/atypical-earache-otomandibular-symptoms
So, it isn’t just “I have TMD” because half the population does not have perfect TMJ. It’s the palate and the dysfunction created during movement, chewing, biting, sleep, plus the severity of structural changes AND ligament strains directly affecting the ossicles and tympanic membrane. It’s very easy - almost certain - for someone to get tinnitus, ear pain and itching even though they have a clear, healthy ear drum.
i wish I had more precise explanation for actually treating this but so far I have not. There is definitely some unfavorable muscle hyperactivity such as in the temporalis that can also lead to slight bone remodeling and this has been linked to depression too (the bulge on the temples). Manual therapy is mandatory.
I don’t blame mewing for this even tho it caused my issues and it isn’t exactly “don’t push the tongue” because author states “push to fit the tongue”.
Word of advice: BE CAREFUL
Hello, can we talk over in discord please on how to do this vacuum to develop a suction force that can pull the palate downwards or can you explain it to me in this site? Because I have developed tinnitus from hard mewing and it is making me insane, I need help please. I am only 14 years old and it is making me depressed. That could very well be a life-saver for me, as tinnitus has been the main reason for my depression as a teenager. Please help me out with this
@auxiliarus Hello, may you please explain to me in email or discord on how to do the said suction force to pull the palate downwards? I have developed tinnitus from hard mewing and it is absolute detrimental to my mental state. To the point that I have developed bad thoughts that could potentially harm myself. My email is league.blades@gmail and my discord is s_tisfaction#8068.
I am now completely fine.
Turns out mewing is far from safe. As mentioned on another thread here, mewing is not same for everyone. Our face and neck state before we start mewing greatly influences the result. My temporalis was becoming bulky, even though I got tremendous results in my jawline and my cheekbones (I basically got a perfect face). My only issue was my temporalis and I couldn’t understand why.
Turns out mewing is why. I would subconsciously protract my mandible forward as it would give me some weird relief (as if things were opening up in the area). Low and behold I find this old thread here where it explains how this is normal and how my mandible is basically being pulled backwards and there is nothing that can be done to avoid it while you mew.
I haven’t done a TMJ MRI yet but it’s safe to say my mandible is behind this and it has also affected my neck. Specifically, leads to an overextension and too much movement of the first 3 vertebrae and the last ones closer to upper back are becoming stiff. This can lead to muscle soreness and imbalances in the SCM. It also leads to reduction in the gap from which our artery goes through (spondylobasic I think is the name). We can also get spasms in the pterygoids, masseter and temporalis. Our bones also shift and this can cause fluids in the skull to move not so good. During all that, nerves can be irritated, the Eustachian tubes can be influenced or the muscles working them.
In conclusion, for anyone with tinnitus:
- spasms in the SCM influencing the auricular nerve
- spasms in the scalenes doing the same
- atlas misalignment (you need MRI / CT for that and physiotherapy to correct it)
- c2, c3 problems meaning that nerves are being irritated (you need MRI for that and it’s unlikely cause for younger people) Also understand that these vertebrae may be overmoving, overactive etc due to the fact that c4+ are stiff. In that case it’s very easy to mess things up. Many people experience tinnitus worsening or a pitch when they turn right or left. This, from my understanding, is due to the movement shortening some gap from which the artery goes through. I have not been given a different explanation so far. There is also Ernest syndrome with the styloid proces lurking in, be careful of it.
- ETD caused by lavator and palatini muscles not working properly which means something is irritating the nerves responsible for them
- TMJ condyle being too far back, pressing on the nerves and/or the ear (this from my experience is 100% happening if your temporalis is swollen), you need MRI + CT for this
For anyone suffering from tinnitus, it becomes obsolete in time. Mine began loud and I spent a week taking drugs to sleep and survive (which ofc does nothing). Understand that you are in shock and during that period, you will have terrible sleep and high blood pressure as a result of a restless mind and a hell of a lot of adrenaline. In time, this will pass and you will see small improvements. Eventually, you will be unable to distinguish anything abnormal and then the shock will fade away to the point that you will begin to recover. In time, as you recover, this whole story will begin to fade from memory. During all that time, your reactions will be less and less anxious.
Be very careful if you begin to mew. I would not do this without telling a doctor I trust first and I would definitely take a CBCT scan before I begin so if problems occur later on, I will have a point of reference.
That is all, take care.
This is the thread I was talking about, has very good points: /community/community/main-forum/jaws-masseter-pattern-vs-temporal-pattern/
Ears are not to be messed with, I guarantee you that. Thank god I am at a 99,5% normal state (which to most people never having experienced this shit is 100%). Do what you do with extreme caution. Also take a look at craniosacral therapy in order to help with fluids in the skull.
So the therapy is not intended for tinnitus, it is intended for the entire neck, mandible and skull. Using common sense we know that not everyone with an imperfect posture has tinnitus so obviously, something is interfering with the ear structures and/or blood circulation. The condyle is the prime suspect and unfortunately mewing causes bone shifting which may create anatomical changes that are hard to revert.
Peace.
@blessyouall199hey can you give me quick update on this ?
i have developed tinnitus after mewing for 2 weeks
i got tinnitus in both ears
@blessyouall199 Cant we something on this i am 17 and did hard mewing for 2 weeks after that i developed tinnitus in both ears and ETD too !
i stop doing hard mew but can you please update me with this thing please !
@nicoblasey hey did you try that thing reverse suction hold I'm only 13 I hard mewed for 5 months and have clogged ears and I hear clicky noises whenever I swallow my saliva
- @nicoblasey hey did you try that thing reverse suction hold I'm only 13 I hard mewed for 5 months and have clogged ears and I hear clicky noises whenever I swallow my saliva