Just curious if there's been any link established between the two?
What sparked my curiosity was seeing footage of my dad from when he was 16. Paradoxically enough (considering what I look like) he had one of the most forward grown faces I've seen recently, prominent cheekbones, hollow cheeks, great head and body posture. He's certainly recessed a lot later in life. I also noticed that he really looked quite short, I'd estimate about 165 cm (5'5"). He grew up to be 181 cm (strong 5'11"), whereas I was 175 cm (5'9") when I turned 16 and am now 178 cm (5'10") at age 25. Seems a bit shady that our growth patterns would differ so drastically, I feel like my dad might've pretty much maximized his height potential whereas my growth was stunted. I had my growth spurt and voice change a bit later than most guys in my class too so I wasn't an early bloomer. Considering that our facial developments and postures at age 16 were pretty much polar opposites, it's hard not to draw the conclusion that this might've been a contributing factor. Doesn't sound too far-fetched - better oxygen intake, better quality of sleep, higher hormone levels or something to that effect?
What's interesting is that the average height seems to be increasing with each generation despite craniofacial dystrophy also being more prevalent. I wonder if oral posture in children became monitored and controlled, would they all become gigantic?
CFD has potentially a huge effect on physical growth and development, mainly due to the reasons you already mentioned: sleep & breathing and hormones. Take a look at where the pituitary gland is located. It seems like a prime candidate for organs to be affected by craniofacial collapse. Pituitary gland releases growth and thyroid hormones, among others, so it's not hard to see how restricting its function would lead to less successful development.
For an anecdote, my grandfather has strong face and is 6'1/184 tall. My father had some dystrophy and reached 5'10/178. I had even more recessed face and stopped growing at 5'7. As an infant a doctor predicted (based on my growth rate) that I would reach 6'0, so you can imagine that this is a subject that interests me. Of course though, there are manyy genes that influence height, and they come from many branches of your family tree, even up to several generations from the past.
Now what is interesting is the question: can adults gain additional height after reversing craniofacial dystrophy & allowing pituitary gland to function optimally? I have read speculative claims that the flood of hormones from a freed pituitary could temporarily re-open growth plates, leading to a couple of inches of growth. Plato claims to have grown 2 inches from facepulling. Patient zero/Ian claims three inches. One guy from breakthematrix told that he had grown about the same amount upon expanding palate. All of these individuals were 25+ years of age as far as I know. Whether these changes came from postural improvements, or actual bone growth, who knows? I have "grown" 1,5cm /0,7" by fixing posture. 3" seems quite a lot from postural improvement alone.
As for new generations being taller, have you noticed that they tend to be less robust too? I think tallness in absence of robustness is not a sign of optimal health. It's a mere hormonal dysfunction with socially favourable consequences. People with hypothyroidism for example may grow taller and lankier than they were "meant to". I think that with well developed cranium and good hormonal function, these people would grow more robust, and possible slightly less tall.
Tallest in my family (short Mediterranean genes) yet worse facial development .
Interesting speculation and information, wouldn't hold my breath for the re-opening of growth plates though. I suppose I would be a prime candidate for that, given how fast my mewing progress has been. I looked at some old photos recently and it appears that my profile recessed considerably between ages 20 and 24 and a lot of my progress has been reversing this recent dystrophy. All this to say that my bones seem have retained a lot of malleability.
However, despite my significant postural and facial improvements my height seems largely unaffected. I did take approximate measurements of my height (right out of bed and right before) back in April and it looks like there might be a couple of mm increase at most. What is potentially noteworthy though is that while mewing I've felt pressure/numb pain in the back and front of my neck - which I've mostly attributed to incorrectly developed tissue causing conflicts when forced to function properly rather than new growth or development, but I've had similar sensations in my lower spine, hands, chest, upper back and shoulders, as if they're all "wanting to expand". I understand that it's fairly common for men my age to experience broadening of the upper body and the spine is the last skeletal section to stop growing, which makes me wonder if that pressure is signaling upcoming growth. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Your hypothesis about new generations being too tall and slim is interesting but I'm not sure if I notice a dramatic decrease in robustness, it seems to be more of a muscular effect than a skeletal one anyway.
Tallest in my family (short Mediterranean genes) yet worse facial development .
Same, I am the tallest in my extended family yet have the most recessed face and I do not suffer from hypothyroidism.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
shortest male in my family, best facial development but that's not saying much
I think CFD does mess with your height, especially if you have a recessed maxilla from a young age. Check this link out, this person calling himself "the orthodontist" talks all about this. https://redpilltalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=914 What are your thoughts?
I think CFD does mess with your height, especially if you have a recessed maxilla from a young age. Check this link out, this person calling himself "the orthodontist" talks all about this. https://redpilltalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=914 What are your thoughts?
Ah yes, thank you, that is the source for the claim regarding the growth plates that I mentioned in my post. It's an interesting idea, although it goes against the mainstream understanding of the human body. But then again, so does mewing.
I mean to be honest, it does make a lot of sense what the guy had to say. There is an orthtropist over in British Columbia, Canada by the name of Dr Robert Johnson http://www.johnsondental.ca/team/
He works with Mike Mew. He goes to conferences and what not with Mike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZE0svF1xbc
Anyway, I have Dr Johnson on my phone and text him from time to time, I asked him about this post and he texted me "I'm not sure. There's a lot of stuff in this whole area that makes sense but I have no idea how you know what's true"
Imo I think it's true. Dr Johnson sent me a text a couple weeks ago with this link https://youtu.be/jfbQXnfoRBM
He texted me this "This guysis an ortho lab technician he's got a really interesting theory about balding. He's trying to get a paper published but I don't think he's having any luck."
Sometime before this I was talking to Dr Johnson over the phone, facetiming actually, he told me that he works with this guy over in BC. So, what I'm getting at is, this makes a lot of sense and I'm thinking it's true
It seems that CFD causes a lot of bad things to your health, including not growing to your full genetic potential
It seems that CFD causes a lot of bad things to your health, including not growing to your full genetic potential
True but please note that allot of people develop with mild to moderate CFD but then regress further into sever after having braces treatment. By that point they have already past their growth phase.
I think this is what happened in my case where my face was long already but further lengthened after braces and made my breathing much worse. Also, I developed tinnitus after braces and other things.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
Oh yeah I agree. I think that, if you develope bad CFD while you're growing (really young, like 14 years old) it can probably halt your growth and you won't grow to your full genetic potential unless you fix it
Recently i asked a personal question to Dr john mew.
I asked'Can bad posture influence the function of puitary gland that controls hormone balance?
He replied'Thank you for your enquiry, i have seen others who have thought the same but know of no evidence either.
That means there is no evidence that maxilla position influence pituitary gland and if not i am gland.I am 1.88 metre 16 years old guy with not the best maxilla.So far my hormknes work good.I look a bit young for my age but i have high testeterone and i can build muscles.Puitary gland are affected only at extreme cases maybe.All these things are just theories about people obsessed with orthotropics.
It seems that CFD causes a lot of bad things to your health, including not growing to your full genetic potential
True but please note that allot of people develop with mild to moderate CFD but then regress further into sever after having braces treatment. By that point they have already past their growth phase.
I think this is what happened in my case where my face was long already but further lengthened after braces and made my breathing much worse. Also, I developed tinnitus after braces and other things.
Got tinnitus soon as me braces came off. Couldn't even sleep because of it. Gone now doe
Recently i asked a personal question to Dr john mew.
I asked'Can bad posture influence the function of puitary gland that controls hormone balance?
He replied'Thank you for your enquiry, i have seen others who have thought the same but know of no evidence either.
That means there is no evidence that maxilla position influence pituitary gland and if not i am gland.I am 1.88 metre 16 years old guy with not the best maxilla.So far my hormknes work good.I look a bit young for my age but i have high testeterone and i can build muscles.Puitary gland are affected only at extreme cases maybe.All these things are just theories about people obsessed with orthotropics.
I think if CFD affects growth negatively it would be through breathing disruption not hormones. Breathing disruption causes the oxygen saturation level in the blood to drop and places an excessive stress on the body. Breathing while sleeping becomes stressful and robs the body of the ability to heal; and in the case of an adolescent to grow.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
I mean to be honest, it does make a lot of sense what the guy had to say. There is an orthtropist over in British Columbia, Canada by the name of Dr Robert Johnson http://www.johnsondental.ca/team/
He works with Mike Mew. He goes to conferences and what not with Mike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZE0svF1xbc
Anyway, I have Dr Johnson on my phone and text him from time to time, I asked him about this post and he texted me "I'm not sure. There's a lot of stuff in this whole area that makes sense but I have no idea how you know what's true"
Imo I think it's true. Dr Johnson sent me a text a couple weeks ago with this link https://youtu.be/jfbQXnfoRBM
He texted me this "This guysis an ortho lab technician he's got a really interesting theory about balding. He's trying to get a paper published but I don't think he's having any luck."
Sometime before this I was talking to Dr Johnson over the phone, facetiming actually, he told me that he works with this guy over in BC. So, what I'm getting at is, this makes a lot of sense and I'm thinking it's true
The reason I have a reason to believe this research/guy is because my left side was much more recessed and the hair on that side on my head is thinning sooner and just isn't as thick. Coincidence, maybe. But I feel like our generation of science is gonna have a whole shift in understanding for underlying systemic disease and how it expresses itself.
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