I hated everything about it.
I felt the back of my skull was angled weirdly. Like it was not flat but it stuck out weirdly up. But in a way I had not seen on anyone else. I seemed to have no occiput despite the fact my head curved backwards.
When I was a teen I actually developed bimax. Weak chin, teeth tipped out, monkey ish projection but without the primitive aspect, just weak projection. Thus on top of my of skull shape that had a non existent occiput yet was strangely dolichocephalic and the top was angled weird (too downward facing).
I hated my lack of chin. Over time as my tongue on mandible posture continued I developed an underbite . it did make my chin more prominent but my profile was off . No more bimax which was good at least. But now my profile looked primitive and yet underdeveloped. I had no midface. My gonial angle was off. My upper incisors tipped forward and my lower incisors tipped inwards. I had a moderate forehead slope by now but not fully adult.
So my head had a weird shape. My chin projected oddly. My profile was bimaxed and then prognathic. I suppose due to me developing asthma.
I figure braces should do the trick. They did improve my profile by removing prognathy but recessed my maxilla even further. My face had a very neotenous quality post braces. My lower third receded and my face looked infantile . As I had bicuspids extracted, my chin became more pointy because they came off the bottom. My upper arch was narrowed and the large overdeveloped jaw now sat bback into my recessed maxilla. This gave my profile an "elegant" look bbecause a straight line ccould be drawn from nasal tip to chin and lips came behind it ever so sslightly. It was a more feminine version of my previous profile because the upper lip pouted ahead of the lower lip. It made me look 6 years younger or so. I really liked this change bbecause even though I resented the feminine aspect of the profile, I did like how the extractions made my chin project and my nose seem more pointy. When you have an underbite your nose feels too sunken so this helped my confidence.
But I hated my skull shape still. The weird projection ddidn't go away. As I got older my profile looked more masculine as my brow came forth more and my lower third developed. But still hated my sagging skin under my jaw, my side profile still, etc.
Fast forward to learning I adopted forward head posture. I fixed it, tucked my chin, pulled my occiput out and my profile all of a sudden made sense. I had tthe same long skulled profile of my ancestors. I had no deformity .I just positioned my head wrong. I rested my ttongue on my palate and my lips straightened, my profile gained masculinity (lip pout reduced, mandible came forward) , and ramus length becoming longer.
Simply changing the way I stand had given me a better side profile. It straightened me. My occiput sticks out in a normal fashion now. My head slope is at a healthy angle. My neck lifts my head and my traps don't . my nose is straighter .Lips are less pouty and duck like. My chin projects more.
Maybe the qualities you hate about your profile can be easier to fix than you think.
I don't know anyone who prefers their side profile to their portrait. I've noticed similar changes along with my nose appearing straighter and smaller which is nice.
I don't know anyone who prefers their side profile to their portrait. I've noticed similar changes along with my nose appearing straighter and smaller which is nice.
I do! when i face forward my face looks fat and my jaw is weak but when i turn to the side its all angles baby
I've never been a fan of my profile, it perfectly illustrates how weak my face is. My midface looks hollow and my jaws are just begging to be upswung. (I thought similar before hearing about mewing or any of this stuff) At the very least, there is enough length to it where I can easily see how much better I'd look with a mere rotation. Where everything needs to go isn't hard to figure out. EddieMoney, I agree on hating your chin, mine looks so small due to the mandible's placement.
For years, I've been really interested in looking at hairstyles - mostly out of curiosity towards how people with craniofacial dystrophy choose to accentuate their face. The #menshaircut tag on Instagram has hundreds of new photos every day, and there are countless men with noticeable CFD. Anyway, what's more interesting to me is that of these men, some of them also have an extreme lack of jawline. Sometimes to the point where it looks as if they don't have a lower jaw. (I wish I could have found better examples to post) Most of the time, they don't have a very long and thin face, so their lack of jawline is the main negative quality that sticks out. A common symptom of CFD is the appearance of a big nose from a sunken in midface, which not all of these guys have.
Occasionally, they have squinted horizontal eyes without any white showing, despite not having obvious cheekbones. There are some men who look like they have a normal enough face with their lower jaw being the lone exception. What's the deal with that?
For comparison, I have very noticeable dystrophy, but I took photos of myself in near perfect posture over a year ago and my jawline is longer than the guys linked below, even when they're leaning forward and I'm not. After writing that, I just took another round of photos clean shaven and feel pretty ugly right now, so unless it's only because they have beards, I think both examples are better looking than I am despite having a worse profile. Not exactly sure why that is.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfEPZ4_AJ-I/?tagged=menshaircut
https://www.instagram.com/p/Be-AdsKHbbr/?tagged=menshaircut
Those guys are absolutely utilizing their beards to give a vastly different impression of a jaw (which they ought to be doing imo)
You probably are better looking than them if your profile is better. People tend to be their own harshest critics and unfairly judge themselves.
Yeah, you're probably right. It's weird how some faces can be obviously melting away and a beard still helps create an illusion in profile.
What doesn't help with the self-judgment is that I have a twin brother who has better structure, so I constantly see a closer-to-ideal face and then compare it to my own orthodontically treated face. The problem feels magnified as there is a figuratively "improved version" of myself in the other room. I don't actually prefer either of those men's faces (or my brother's, surprisingly) over my own, I think my main issue is that my dystrophy has always characterized a weak personality and inferiority complex. From my own view, both of those men have very weak faces but don't seem to project the meekness I see in my own, at least from how much psychoanalyzing can be done from an image of their profiles. Claimingpower used to go on about the mental side of CFD, I certainly get what he was talking about.
I've never been a fan of my profile, it perfectly illustrates how weak my face is. My midface looks hollow and my jaws are just begging to be upswung. (I thought similar before hearing about mewing or any of this stuff) At the very least, there is enough length to it where I can easily see how much better I'd look with a mere rotation. Where everything needs to go isn't hard to figure out. EddieMoney, I agree on hating your chin, mine looks so small due to the mandible's placement.
For years, I've been really interested in looking at hairstyles - mostly out of curiosity towards how people with craniofacial dystrophy choose to accentuate their face. The #menshaircut tag on Instagram has hundreds of new photos every day, and there are countless men with noticeable CFD. Anyway, what's more interesting to me is that of these men, some of them also have an extreme lack of jawline. Sometimes to the point where it looks as if they don't have a lower jaw. (I wish I could have found better examples to post) Most of the time, they don't have a very long and thin face, so their lack of jawline is the main negative quality that sticks out. A common symptom of CFD is the appearance of a big nose from a sunken in midface, which not all of these guys have.
Occasionally, they have squinted horizontal eyes without any white showing, despite not having obvious cheekbones. There are some men who look like they have a normal enough face with their lower jaw being the lone exception. What's the deal with that?
For comparison, I have very noticeable dystrophy, but I took photos of myself in near perfect posture over a year ago and my jawline is longer than the guys linked below, even when they're leaning forward and I'm not. After writing that, I just took another round of photos clean shaven and feel pretty ugly right now, so unless it's only because they have beards, I think both examples are better looking than I am despite having a worse profile. Not exactly sure why that is.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfEPZ4_AJ-I/?tagged=menshaircut
https://www.instagram.com/p/Be-AdsKHbbr/?tagged=menshaircut
The nose thing I can relate to. Nobody in my family had a long nose except me. Well I also have a dorsal hump. Not terrible but it is there. My nose also post braces looked too far out from my upper lip as if the nose had grown out too far. This was drastically different from my underbite nose which had weak projection. So I went from almost no nasal projection to having too much nasal projection. I couldn't win.
Now on the subject of hair I too can relate . Hair to me gave my face a better shape. As I am a narrow skulled guy (about 146 mm in width vs 215 mm in length) my recessed face had a "horsey" like appearance due to midface lengthening and palate narrowing. So when I smiled my face had a very equine look. It was frustrating to say the least so I coped with specific haircuts and my beard .
As my face has gotten more flanged I have been able to wear my sides shorter. I used to have to have the barber make the sides longer lengthwise to give my face width. But now the extra hair looks unnecessary. I had such a horse face though that getting short sides made my face look too oblong. What is interesting is as my face had gotten wider I wonder if my skull has too.
Of course I also grew my beard because of my weak lower third. This is one way braces messed me up because they narrowed both arches so the mandible sat back too far now. Sure I suppose it was better than an underbite but as a guy in his 20s it sure hurt the self esteem to look underdeveloped.
Now after mewing the results have led to an improved facial width to height ratio. My cheekbones have come out sideways and so has my ramus (I assume due to palate widening). With these changes I can keep my facial hair shorter and shorter. Matter of fact a long beard makes my face look TOO wide now so I know progress has been made. The beard used to give my face width (I have somewhat curly hair) but nnow the facial hair looks rather unnecessary and I can go clean shaven now and look like an adult male as opposed to looking like an awkward teenager. So if I shave now in my 30s I look like a healthy guy in his 20s as opposed to looking underdeveloped. Think Zac Efron vs DJ Qualls. Both look young but in different qualities.
Proper posture is literally a life saver. My low back ppain is almost all gone and I seem to be getting closer and closer to 6 feet tall. I always knew my height hadn't reached full potential because my legs are long (34 inch inseam with size 13 shoes) but my torso didn't match. Now my torso seems to be lengthening as my shoulders and occiput come back to their proper resting place.
There is hope everyone!
I just wanted to chime in that its probably because the profile shows recession more than the front view. From the front recession appears as bit up/down, but from the side it looks like a lot back/forward.
I just wanted to chime in that its probably because the profile shows recession more than the front view. From the front recession appears as bit up/down, but from the side it looks like a lot back/forward.
After I got my braces I preferred my profile to my front view because my profile didn't make me look as young as my front view with my shortened lower third.
On another topic now I know why beards are so popular. Too many recessed faces that creates this need. Some guys literally consider it an insult to their existence to be told to shave. I was one of them until my lower third came forward more .
After I got my braces I preferred my profile to my front view because my profile didn't make me look as young as my front view with my shortened lower third.
On another topic now I know why beards are so popular. Too many recessed faces that creates this need. Some guys literally consider it an insult to their existence to be told to shave. I was one of them until my lower third came forward more .
Your posts make me want to see what you look like. Have your results only been from adopting proper oral and body posture? Pretty impressive if that's the case. If so, how were you able to get the back of your tongue up if your face was so long? Unless the reason is confirmed to be tongue tie, I can't seem to do the tongue posture properly despite not having too long of a face.
Facial hair on dystrophied faces looks good when it's just enough to pad all of the angles and alter the silhouette. IMO having a giant hipster beard and mustache or excessively sharp 90 degree angle cut easily exposes what's underneath. Then again, my own facial hair growth is pretty weak.
I agree with you on having longer hair on the sides for width. I usually have medium to long hair all over because it seems like longer, wilder hair can sometimes distract from bad structure compared to shorter, uniform hairstyles "affixing" themselves to the dystrophy, if that makes any sense. Of course, the opposite can also be true and is subjective.
After I got my braces I preferred my profile to my front view because my profile didn't make me look as young as my front view with my shortened lower third.
On another topic now I know why beards are so popular. Too many recessed faces that creates this need. Some guys literally consider it an insult to their existence to be told to shave. I was one of them until my lower third came forward more .
Your posts make me want to see what you look like. Have your results only been from adopting proper oral and body posture? Pretty impressive if that's the case. If so, how were you able to get the back of your tongue up if your face was so long? Unless the reason is confirmed to be tongue tie, I can't seem to do the tongue posture properly despite not having too long of a face.
Facial hair on dystrophied faces looks good when it's just enough to pad all of the angles and alter the silhouette. IMO having a giant hipster beard and mustache or excessively sharp 90 degree angle cut easily exposes what's underneath. Then again, my own facial hair growth is pretty weak.
I agree with you on having longer hair on the sides for width. I usually have medium to long hair all over because it seems like longer, wilder hair can sometimes distract from bad structure compared to shorter, uniform hairstyles "affixing" themselves to the dystrophy, if that makes any sense. Of course, the opposite can also be true and is subjective.
Sadly I have no high school pics to show my bimax sideways but I do have underbite profile shots from a crappy Polaroid and of course my post braces profile. I will put together an album soon.
Now as far as tongue placement I started behind the rugae and that widened my palate enough to fit it closer to the incisive papilla spot .
I also forgot to mention I do a lot of pulling exercises for the mid and upper traps as well and those helped with adding about an inch or so to my frame while this Posture change added another inch. Since leaving high school I realistically have grown 3 inches with a combo of posturing, pulling exercises, tongue movement, and finally a caloric surplus.
I used to undereat in high school but after that I really feel caloric increases helped me make progress in growth after high school. It seems most men get their facial hair growth through the end of their teens but mine came in through my 20s and most of the beard grew in in my 20s and later half of my 20s.
Interestingly even with my posture bbeing so bad in HS I still grew like 5 inches. From my first to fourth year I grew 5 inches and with bad posture. So I know the sshort gene isn't a part of me considering my very long legs.
I can't stress enough the importance of a caloric surplus though as I think that helped to give me height and facial hair growth after I was 21. People that say life (in terms of your potential) ends at 18 are dead wrong.
Finally I get what you mean about the long hair. I notice many horsefaced guys wear longer hair and rarely go short. The narrow skull just doesn't look as good when exposed and neither does a narrow face all sitting there naked and helpless.
I also have never worn a beard to hipster length. I have dark features and for a long time a long face and somewhat hooked nose. My nose is very long for sure. Long and thin. So the combo of all those with a beard is well...unbecoming on most men and we will leave it at that. I did grow it all out once and I was called Moses so there is that. Needless to say a heavy haired look like that may hhide some CFD but it also may lead to other aesthetic problems.
I never hated it but I noticed it was different to my front view and in a negative way. I thought why do I look like a different person in profile? It only became clear why after I learned about orthodontics.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
I never hated it but I noticed it was different to my front view and in a negative way. I thought why do I look like a different person in profile? It only became clear why after I learned about orthodontics.
How did your profile look different than you?
Did your increase in Occiput lead to less verticality of your forehead. This would only make sense considering your cranium "shifted" backwards ?
I've always hated my profile. Like Eddie, I have a weird shaped skull that sticks out too much at the back. From some angles it looks ok, but from others (like 3/4 view) it looks freakish. I've had people say "wow you have a huge head" before. I have an occipital bun, which as I understand is a neanderthal trait. And I have other neanderthal traits as well - very deep set eyes, thick brow bone (too thick IMO) and large, prominent cheekbones. And then my lower third lets me down.
I think I have adequate or even above average forward growth, but I'm also a little downward grown too, and my mandible is retruded. I just lack volume in the lower third, worn down molars might have something to do with it.
The end result is this (from some angles) incoherent mix of high testosterone caveman features, with a somewhat nerdy skull shape and jaw. Oh my, how much better I would look with both jaws a little more forward and up.
4 years of braces and headgear and extractions left me with a sunken midface, no jawline, and severe sleep apnea. Growing up I always hated how my profile looked and never connected it to my tragic orthodontic treatment until now. Sigh
Yes. It is my most unattractive feature currently. I actually have a fairly attractive front profile because my jaw isn't recessed or melted into my neck. However, I have a lack of facial development from a profile view (large gonial angle etc) and it really makes me cringe to see pictures of myself from any other angle but the front. My chin is especially unattractive to look at as it's very angular. My nose is also tipped up from a side view and lips seemed tipped out a bit too much, which could be attributed to my lack of development so far from mewing (I established proper technique a few days ago)
After I got my braces I preferred my profile to my front view because my profile didn't make me look as young as my front view with my shortened lower third.
On another topic now I know why beards are so popular. Too many recessed faces that creates this need. Some guys literally consider it an insult to their existence to be told to shave. I was one of them until my lower third came forward more .
Your posts make me want to see what you look like. Have your results only been from adopting proper oral and body posture? Pretty impressive if that's the case. If so, how were you able to get the back of your tongue up if your face was so long? Unless the reason is confirmed to be tongue tie, I can't seem to do the tongue posture properly despite not having too long of a face.
Facial hair on dystrophied faces looks good when it's just enough to pad all of the angles and alter the silhouette. IMO having a giant hipster beard and mustache or excessively sharp 90 degree angle cut easily exposes what's underneath. Then again, my own facial hair growth is pretty weak.
I agree with you on having longer hair on the sides for width. I usually have medium to long hair all over because it seems like longer, wilder hair can sometimes distract from bad structure compared to shorter, uniform hairstyles "affixing" themselves to the dystrophy, if that makes any sense. Of course, the opposite can also be true and is subjective.
Sadly I have no high school pics to show my bimax sideways but I do have underbite profile shots from a crappy Polaroid and of course my post braces profile. I will put together an album soon.
Now as far as tongue placement I started behind the rugae and that widened my palate enough to fit it closer to the incisive papilla spot .
I also forgot to mention I do a lot of pulling exercises for the mid and upper traps as well and those helped with adding about an inch or so to my frame while this Posture change added another inch. Since leaving high school I realistically have grown 3 inches with a combo of posturing, pulling exercises, tongue movement, and finally a caloric surplus.
I used to undereat in high school but after that I really feel caloric increases helped me make progress in growth after high school. It seems most men get their facial hair growth through the end of their teens but mine came in through my 20s and most of the beard grew in in my 20s and later half of my 20s.
Interestingly even with my posture bbeing so bad in HS I still grew like 5 inches. From my first to fourth year I grew 5 inches and with bad posture. So I know the sshort gene isn't a part of me considering my very long legs.
I can't stress enough the importance of a caloric surplus though as I think that helped to give me height and facial hair growth after I was 21. People that say life (in terms of your potential) ends at 18 are dead wrong.
Finally I get what you mean about the long hair. I notice many horsefaced guys wear longer hair and rarely go short. The narrow skull just doesn't look as good when exposed and neither does a narrow face all sitting there naked and helpless.
I also have never worn a beard to hipster length. I have dark features and for a long time a long face and somewhat hooked nose. My nose is very long for sure. Long and thin. So the combo of all those with a beard is well...unbecoming on most men and we will leave it at that. I did grow it all out once and I was called Moses so there is that. Needless to say a heavy haired look like that may hhide some CFD but it also may lead to other aesthetic problems.
@EddieMoney Will good posture and a healthy diet help me grow taller? I am 17, 5'9.5 height and have always had bad posture. I did hit puberty 1 or 2 years later than the average male.
After I got my braces I preferred my profile to my front view because my profile didn't make me look as young as my front view with my shortened lower third.
On another topic now I know why beards are so popular. Too many recessed faces that creates this need. Some guys literally consider it an insult to their existence to be told to shave. I was one of them until my lower third came forward more .
Your posts make me want to see what you look like. Have your results only been from adopting proper oral and body posture? Pretty impressive if that's the case. If so, how were you able to get the back of your tongue up if your face was so long? Unless the reason is confirmed to be tongue tie, I can't seem to do the tongue posture properly despite not having too long of a face.
Facial hair on dystrophied faces looks good when it's just enough to pad all of the angles and alter the silhouette. IMO having a giant hipster beard and mustache or excessively sharp 90 degree angle cut easily exposes what's underneath. Then again, my own facial hair growth is pretty weak.
I agree with you on having longer hair on the sides for width. I usually have medium to long hair all over because it seems like longer, wilder hair can sometimes distract from bad structure compared to shorter, uniform hairstyles "affixing" themselves to the dystrophy, if that makes any sense. Of course, the opposite can also be true and is subjective.
Sadly I have no high school pics to show my bimax sideways but I do have underbite profile shots from a crappy Polaroid and of course my post braces profile. I will put together an album soon.
Now as far as tongue placement I started behind the rugae and that widened my palate enough to fit it closer to the incisive papilla spot .
I also forgot to mention I do a lot of pulling exercises for the mid and upper traps as well and those helped with adding about an inch or so to my frame while this Posture change added another inch. Since leaving high school I realistically have grown 3 inches with a combo of posturing, pulling exercises, tongue movement, and finally a caloric surplus.
I used to undereat in high school but after that I really feel caloric increases helped me make progress in growth after high school. It seems most men get their facial hair growth through the end of their teens but mine came in through my 20s and most of the beard grew in in my 20s and later half of my 20s.
Interestingly even with my posture bbeing so bad in HS I still grew like 5 inches. From my first to fourth year I grew 5 inches and with bad posture. So I know the sshort gene isn't a part of me considering my very long legs.
I can't stress enough the importance of a caloric surplus though as I think that helped to give me height and facial hair growth after I was 21. People that say life (in terms of your potential) ends at 18 are dead wrong.
Finally I get what you mean about the long hair. I notice many horsefaced guys wear longer hair and rarely go short. The narrow skull just doesn't look as good when exposed and neither does a narrow face all sitting there naked and helpless.
I also have never worn a beard to hipster length. I have dark features and for a long time a long face and somewhat hooked nose. My nose is very long for sure. Long and thin. So the combo of all those with a beard is well...unbecoming on most men and we will leave it at that. I did grow it all out once and I was called Moses so there is that. Needless to say a heavy haired look like that may hhide some CFD but it also may lead to other aesthetic problems.
@EddieMoney Will good posture and a healthy diet help me grow taller? I am 17, 5'9.5 height and have always had bad posture. I did hit puberty 1 or 2 years later than the average male.
i entered puberty late and ate a shit diet and never exercised and i still have horrible posture and im 6´2 and tower over everyone in my family. its all genetics my man.
@JeanMacDougall If you entered puberty late, were you your adult height at 17 as I have grown 0.5 inches in the last 3 months
I grew two inches from 5'7 to 5'9 after I was 19. Took maybe like 10 years but it happened. At 19 I was 5'7 and by 25 I was 5'8. At 28 I was 5'9.
I don't think there are many people who really love their profile. It's hardly surprising though, because we're not used to seeing it that often. We see ourselves in the mirror all the time, it's our most familiar view and we become somewhat comfortable with seeing it. Other views tend to take us by surprise and sometimes fill us with horror. I'll never forget seeing my 3/4 view from the back for the first time. My god I thought I was a genuine circus freak.
As for my profile, well I've never liked it. Facially, the person I've been compared to most of all is a young Ted Danson (think early Cheers). I have the same brow bone, similar eyes and cheekbones (although mine are much more prominent and I also have very hollow cheeks). I would therefore quite like myself, if only my jaw was better. I have a similar kind of prominent jawline, but his mandible is more horizontal than mine. If you look at me in the 3/4 view you'd probably say "ooo now there's a good candidate for CCW rotation." My mandible is retruded a little, with the condyles jammed back in the socket. Not only does this give me TMJ problems but it also screws up my profile. It's receding slightly, which does not look good with the large-ish nose I have. When I jut a little to relieve the TMJ, everything looks much better. So that's what I'm doing now. It just feels better with my mandible a little forward. I think I have decent forward growth - at least my cheek slope is quite shallow and projects. I just wish my lower jaw matched it without having to jut.
I share a similar horror as Eddie over my skull shape. Protrudes at the back (occipital bun) and very tall. Basically I have just about every neanderthal skull trait in the book except for a big forward lower jaw. And I think my frame is way too small for my skull size, which makes my head look even more ginormous.
About the only part of my profile I like are my deep set eyes/brow bone (which give a very masculine look when my eyes are in shadow) and my zygos, which protrude massively at the sides all the way back to my ears rather like a Native American's. They give me a robust, warrior look which I think saves me.....
I don't think there are many people who really love their profile. It's hardly surprising though, because we're not used to seeing it that often. We see ourselves in the mirror all the time, it's our most familiar view and we become somewhat comfortable with seeing it. Other views tend to take us by surprise and sometimes fill us with horror. I'll never forget seeing my 3/4 view from the back for the first time. My god I thought I was a genuine circus freak.
As for my profile, well I've never liked it. Facially, the person I've been compared to most of all is a young Ted Danson (think early Cheers). I have the same brow bone, similar eyes and cheekbones (although mine are much more prominent and I also have very hollow cheeks). I would therefore quite like myself, if only my jaw was better. I have a similar kind of prominent jawline, but his mandible is more horizontal than mine. If you look at me in the 3/4 view you'd probably say "ooo now there's a good candidate for CCW rotation." My mandible is retruded a little, with the condyles jammed back in the socket. Not only does this give me TMJ problems but it also screws up my profile. It's receding slightly, which does not look good with the large-ish nose I have. When I jut a little to relieve the TMJ, everything looks much better. So that's what I'm doing now. It just feels better with my mandible a little forward. I think I have decent forward growth - at least my cheek slope is quite shallow and projects. I just wish my lower jaw matched it without having to jut.
I share a similar horror as Eddie over my skull shape. Protrudes at the back (occipital bun) and very tall. Basically I have just about every neanderthal skull trait in the book except for a big forward lower jaw. And I think my frame is way too small for my skull size, which makes my head look even more ginormous.
About the only part of my profile I like are my deep set eyes/brow bone (which give a very masculine look when my eyes are in shadow) and my zygos, which protrude massively at the sides all the way back to my ears rather like a Native American's. They give me a robust, warrior look which I think saves me.....
If you have a strong brow wouldn't that be opposite of Ted Danson? IMO he always had a weak brow. He does have deep set eyes however
His forehead looks very flat (while his jaw looks super forward grown). His upper face definitely doesn't strike me as Neanderthal like though (more Cromagnoid IMO)
I grew two inches from 5'7 to 5'9 after I was 19. Took maybe like 10 years but it happened. At 19 I was 5'7 and by 25 I was 5'8. At 28 I was 5'9.
I thought humans stop height growth at 18 or even if you can grow I thought it would be under an inch
I'm seriously thinking of committing suicide. I am 18 years old and I have no hope for life.
There are people with recessed features live full lives, and people with full development who live terrible lives. And there is an immense increase in people actively seeking ways to correct adult growth.
I think a big problem that people have with this topic is the feeling of being robbed - they understand that they could have had better development and then feel regret, which is an immensely powerful emotion.
If you find any topic to feel inadequate about and then obsess over it, you will feel terrible. Plenty of good looking people commit suicide due to feeling inadequate about some other perceived issue.
Give yourself a break from this topic for a while.
I'm seriously thinking of committing suicide. I am 18 years old and I have no hope for life.
There are people with recessed features live full lives, and people with full development who live terrible lives. And there is an immense increase in people actively seeking ways to correct adult growth.
I think a big problem that people have with this topic is the feeling of being robbed - they understand that they could have had better development and then feel regret, which is an immensely powerful emotion.
If you find any topic to feel inadequate about and then obsess over it, you will feel terrible. Plenty of good looking people commit suicide due to feeling inadequate about some other perceived issue.
Give yourself a break from this topic for a while.
I don't know what advice I can give (my problem is rather a lower jaw that is too large and too forward) but ending your life shouldn't cross your mind. If it's really as bad as you say, it can be fixed. Maybe not through mewing, but through surgery. I don't know your financial situation, but if it's possible for you to be stoic about life for a while, work hard, and save up money, in some years time you could definitely improve to a drastic degree, both functionally and aesthetically. First example is functional aesthetic, second and third are purely aesthetic (third is even a bit too excessive, goes from NoChin to American Dad tier lol, but it's to show that aesthetically, anything for lower jaw is possible with money.)
Stay Strong.
-Melius
I don't think there are many people who really love their profile. It's hardly surprising though, because we're not used to seeing it that often. We see ourselves in the mirror all the time, it's our most familiar view and we become somewhat comfortable with seeing it. Other views tend to take us by surprise and sometimes fill us with horror. I'll never forget seeing my 3/4 view from the back for the first time. My god I thought I was a genuine circus freak.
As for my profile, well I've never liked it. Facially, the person I've been compared to most of all is a young Ted Danson (think early Cheers). I have the same brow bone, similar eyes and cheekbones (although mine are much more prominent and I also have very hollow cheeks). I would therefore quite like myself, if only my jaw was better. I have a similar kind of prominent jawline, but his mandible is more horizontal than mine. If you look at me in the 3/4 view you'd probably say "ooo now there's a good candidate for CCW rotation." My mandible is retruded a little, with the condyles jammed back in the socket. Not only does this give me TMJ problems but it also screws up my profile. It's receding slightly, which does not look good with the large-ish nose I have. When I jut a little to relieve the TMJ, everything looks much better. So that's what I'm doing now. It just feels better with my mandible a little forward. I think I have decent forward growth - at least my cheek slope is quite shallow and projects. I just wish my lower jaw matched it without having to jut.
I share a similar horror as Eddie over my skull shape. Protrudes at the back (occipital bun) and very tall. Basically I have just about every neanderthal skull trait in the book except for a big forward lower jaw. And I think my frame is way too small for my skull size, which makes my head look even more ginormous.
About the only part of my profile I like are my deep set eyes/brow bone (which give a very masculine look when my eyes are in shadow) and my zygos, which protrude massively at the sides all the way back to my ears rather like a Native American's. They give me a robust, warrior look which I think saves me.....
If you have a strong brow wouldn't that be opposite of Ted Danson? IMO he always had a weak brow. He does have deep set eyes however
His forehead looks very flat (while his jaw looks super forward grown). His upper face definitely doesn't strike me as Neanderthal like though (more Cromagnoid IMO)
Thing is though, you don't get deep set eyes without a strong brow bone. It's the forward growth of the brow that makes the eyes deep set, as well as the forward growth of the cheeks underneath them. As far as I know, everyone's eyes are in the same position in the sagittal plane, but some people's bones grow forward from them and that's what creates the deep set look. He doesn't have insane brow bone (mine is much bigger, even getting toward Frankenstein territory, lol....), but it's definitely strong compared to someone with shallow set eyes.
After I got my braces I preferred my profile to my front view because my profile didn't make me look as young as my front view with my shortened lower third.
On another topic now I know why beards are so popular. Too many recessed faces that creates this need. Some guys literally consider it an insult to their existence to be told to shave. I was one of them until my lower third came forward more .
Your posts make me want to see what you look like. Have your results only been from adopting proper oral and body posture? Pretty impressive if that's the case. If so, how were you able to get the back of your tongue up if your face was so long? Unless the reason is confirmed to be tongue tie, I can't seem to do the tongue posture properly despite not having too long of a face.
Facial hair on dystrophied faces looks good when it's just enough to pad all of the angles and alter the silhouette. IMO having a giant hipster beard and mustache or excessively sharp 90 degree angle cut easily exposes what's underneath. Then again, my own facial hair growth is pretty weak.
I agree with you on having longer hair on the sides for width. I usually have medium to long hair all over because it seems like longer, wilder hair can sometimes distract from bad structure compared to shorter, uniform hairstyles "affixing" themselves to the dystrophy, if that makes any sense. Of course, the opposite can also be true and is subjective.
Sadly I have no high school pics to show my bimax sideways but I do have underbite profile shots from a crappy Polaroid and of course my post braces profile. I will put together an album soon.
Now as far as tongue placement I started behind the rugae and that widened my palate enough to fit it closer to the incisive papilla spot .
I also forgot to mention I do a lot of pulling exercises for the mid and upper traps as well and those helped with adding about an inch or so to my frame while this Posture change added another inch. Since leaving high school I realistically have grown 3 inches with a combo of posturing, pulling exercises, tongue movement, and finally a caloric surplus.
I used to undereat in high school but after that I really feel caloric increases helped me make progress in growth after high school. It seems most men get their facial hair growth through the end of their teens but mine came in through my 20s and most of the beard grew in in my 20s and later half of my 20s.
Interestingly even with my posture bbeing so bad in HS I still grew like 5 inches. From my first to fourth year I grew 5 inches and with bad posture. So I know the sshort gene isn't a part of me considering my very long legs.
I can't stress enough the importance of a caloric surplus though as I think that helped to give me height and facial hair growth after I was 21. People that say life (in terms of your potential) ends at 18 are dead wrong.
Finally I get what you mean about the long hair. I notice many horsefaced guys wear longer hair and rarely go short. The narrow skull just doesn't look as good when exposed and neither does a narrow face all sitting there naked and helpless.
I also have never worn a beard to hipster length. I have dark features and for a long time a long face and somewhat hooked nose. My nose is very long for sure. Long and thin. So the combo of all those with a beard is well...unbecoming on most men and we will leave it at that. I did grow it all out once and I was called Moses so there is that. Needless to say a heavy haired look like that may hhide some CFD but it also may lead to other aesthetic problems.
@EddieMoney Will good posture and a healthy diet help me grow taller? I am 17, 5'9.5 height and have always had bad posture. I did hit puberty 1 or 2 years later than the average male.
i entered puberty late and ate a shit diet and never exercised and i still have horrible posture and im 6´2 and tower over everyone in my family. its all genetics my man.
@JeanMacDougall If you entered puberty late, were you your adult height at 17 as I have grown 0.5 inches in the last 3 months
ive grown steadily my entire life. still growing.
you guys are weird. my jaw is recessed af, and girls tell me im the most beautiful guy theyve ever seen all the time. just yesterday this girl i went on a date with started caressing my jaw and told me i had such a beautiful chin. that surprised me a bit, so i asked her "i think its surprising you say that, its really recessed and under developed. it actually causes a great deal of health problems for me"
you know what she answered? "i cant see anything wrong with it." this has happened to me countless times. maybe i am extremely beautiful, but most likely its just that i dont have any body dysmorphia or insecurities. i dont care about any of my flaws and thats really important to girls.
stop obsessing about your effing faces and start focusing on function instead. so what if your jaw is all messed up? get a great body instead then if your looks are so damn important.
also, i have a long face and i rock a short bob with bangs. its all about C O N F I D E N S E
Maybe your jawline is still defined despite being reccessed. Other features of your face might be good and being 6'2 helps a lot.
If you don't currently have the money, and if mewing alone can't solve your problem, then by definition, there is nothing you can do, until one of those two things changes.
So there's your answer, you can
a) just forget about your problem and try to live a happy life
b)give up
c) TEMPORARILY get this issue out of your mind. Go to school/get a job/ grind your ass off, and when you have the money, then you can get the treatment you need.
That's all there is to do. I for one have been doing c) and it's going good so far.
-Melius
I don't think there are many people who really love their profile. It's hardly surprising though, because we're not used to seeing it that often. We see ourselves in the mirror all the time, it's our most familiar view and we become somewhat comfortable with seeing it. Other views tend to take us by surprise and sometimes fill us with horror. I'll never forget seeing my 3/4 view from the back for the first time. My god I thought I was a genuine circus freak.
As for my profile, well I've never liked it. Facially, the person I've been compared to most of all is a young Ted Danson (think early Cheers). I have the same brow bone, similar eyes and cheekbones (although mine are much more prominent and I also have very hollow cheeks). I would therefore quite like myself, if only my jaw was better. I have a similar kind of prominent jawline, but his mandible is more horizontal than mine. If you look at me in the 3/4 view you'd probably say "ooo now there's a good candidate for CCW rotation." My mandible is retruded a little, with the condyles jammed back in the socket. Not only does this give me TMJ problems but it also screws up my profile. It's receding slightly, which does not look good with the large-ish nose I have. When I jut a little to relieve the TMJ, everything looks much better. So that's what I'm doing now. It just feels better with my mandible a little forward. I think I have decent forward growth - at least my cheek slope is quite shallow and projects. I just wish my lower jaw matched it without having to jut.
I share a similar horror as Eddie over my skull shape. Protrudes at the back (occipital bun) and very tall. Basically I have just about every neanderthal skull trait in the book except for a big forward lower jaw. And I think my frame is way too small for my skull size, which makes my head look even more ginormous.
About the only part of my profile I like are my deep set eyes/brow bone (which give a very masculine look when my eyes are in shadow) and my zygos, which protrude massively at the sides all the way back to my ears rather like a Native American's. They give me a robust, warrior look which I think saves me.....
If you have a strong brow wouldn't that be opposite of Ted Danson? IMO he always had a weak brow. He does have deep set eyes however
His forehead looks very flat (while his jaw looks super forward grown). His upper face definitely doesn't strike me as Neanderthal like though (more Cromagnoid IMO)
Thing is though, you don't get deep set eyes without a strong brow bone. It's the forward growth of the brow that makes the eyes deep set, as well as the forward growth of the cheeks underneath them. As far as I know, everyone's eyes are in the same position in the sagittal plane, but some people's bones grow forward from them and that's what creates the deep set look. He doesn't have insane brow bone (mine is much bigger, even getting toward Frankenstein territory, lol....), but it's definitely strong compared to someone with shallow set eyes.
Not true. Look at Ann Coulter. As a woman she has zero brow bone development but still has deep set eyes.
Absent brow but deep set eyes.
@eddiemoney Here is "Ann Coulter" from another angle:
Are you sure she doesn't have a strong brow? I don't know if we are looking at the same facial markers, but to me the bony protrusion above her eyebrows is exactly what a strong brow is.
I know how to fix her eyes... I will have to develop it. It’s a product.
The reason why hooded eyes are there are usually from stress. She has some slant of sadness looking slope to her eye bones. That’s from her facial/skeletal development as a kid.
I am spacial... and intuitively understand pressure/physics/etc. Bot sure why... but it’s kind of obvious to me. I built the tallest stable tower from a square sheet of paper in physics class. I instinctively knew about palatal shaping and stuff when at the orthodontist. Unfortunately, many orthodontists honestly aren’t spacial and few are aesthetically oeinentated. When we put up a fence on uneven ground, I told them where to the posts on far sides of the yard. No leveler with me, I just knew where to put it. It was perfectly level from side-to-side. I even devised a way that cement pourers can determine how something is level... all based on water from the pyramids and all that. H20, bucket & hose. I am super particular, but there are people more detailed and particular than me. If you’ve ever worked with designers, you’ll see what I mean.
That's fair. However look at Bieber. Deep set eyes and no brow to speak of.
Point being they can exist independently of each other
Varying levels of supraorbital projection still show variance in how deep the eyes are set. In other words one doesn't affect the other
No brow, eyes deep set
Slight brow, eyes shallow set
No brow, eyes deep set
I notice that deep vs shallow eye sockets is different than supraorbital ridge development. Another example is Jason Momoa vs Michael Cera. The former has a stronger brow where the latter has deeper set eyes
Another example of a weak brow with deep set eyes.
Person who doesn't like their profile checking in. I actually think I'm reasonably good looking from the front. I hate a my profile. I have a pretty severely recessed chin. It's why I'm here. Mewing probably can't fix it, but screw it, I'm not getting surgery.
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