I dont get it. Even if u have a wide enough palate. How could someone breathe if he puts the root of the tounge against the roof with force. Where would the air come truh. Cause when i push really hard there is no way i can breath, and im pushing with the most back part of my tounge. And i cant imagin that the pallet will get so big that somehow, while im pushing it against the roof, that im able to breathe... some one explain pls
I was wondering the same. Especially if I tuck my chin, then it gets a bit harder to breathe.
Good point. I'm also not sure how one should can get from no breathing to breathing normally if you can't breath at all.
I started to put the back of my tongue up the palate a week ago and I was able to breathe, but it was very exhausting and I couldn't do it longer than for five minutes. Now a week I can almost breath freely even when the back of my tongue is up (I just have to check every now and then again if it is still up or not)
I'm not sure how to help you, but I'd just try to get the tip of the tongue up and get used to it. Maybe you can gradually put more of your tongue up and slowly increase the width of your palate/get the maxilla further out.
I'm still sceptical about this whole mewing thing and I'm just doing it as an self-experiment for a year. I was quite surprised that I'm now able to breath almost effortlessy through my nose even when the back of my tongue is up, which I couldn't do just a week ago. So this is maybe some kind of progress? So maybe you could try to get the tongue up and hold it for as long as you can without breathing? Maybe you might be able to breath with effort after a month or so.
I'm still not really understanding why you can't breathe through your nose when the back of your tongue is up. How can that completely close your airway to the point where you can't breathe through your nose? With my tongue pressing on the palate right to the very back where it almost feels like I'm choking if I push hard enough, I can still breathe freely through my nose. Are you trying to breathe through your mouth or something?
@apollo you said that the soft palate presses into the airway, and the video you linked of Mr Mew said that it was normal to have some discomfort and that people with horizontal growth only have a small amount of the palate pressing against the airway. Does this mean that with constant practise of correct oral posture, you will train your palate to only have a small amount of it pressing against the airway? Or will the constant practise of correct oral posture push the maxilla up and forward, and thus allow you to breathe easier?I'm so confused about how correct oral posture! When you have correct oral posture, can you not breathe through your nose because 1. tongue tie? 2. you need to push your maxilla up? 3. it's normal?so many contradicting statements!Hi Jeffery, here's my post you mentioned from another thread:
Posted by: Apollo
Yes, the very reason people don't tend to practice proper oral posture is because it impinges their airway, and this perpetuates the downward spiral of the maxilla dropping further down and back, further restricting the airway. Anyone without adequate tongue space will find that the posterior third, when correctly seated on the roof of the mouth, will press the soft palate into the pharynx, restricting breathing through the nose. This can even be a sign that you have achieved correct oral posture. Then you have to practice the control to back off just enough to breath, while still keeping the posterior tongue engaged.It sounds like you understood what I was trying to explain. I suspect what you describe as difficulty breathing when practicing correct oral posture is what all of us experience with any level of craniofacial dystrophy. With a recessed maxialla and/or narrow palate restricting tongue space, lifting the posterior tongue against the soft palate completely or partially obstructs the pharynx. If you really had a tongue tie, surgically removing part of the lingual frenulum would make it easier for you to lift your tongue to the roof of your mouth, but it wouldn't prevent the posterior tongue from blocking your airway. The only way to fix this, as you suggest, is to create more tongue space, but unfortunately, this requires keeping your posterior tongue in the position that is blocking your airway. We can't stop breathing, so what to do? I find that lifting my tongue up to the point that it closes off my pharynx is a good indicator helping me to know that I am correctly engaging the posterior part of my tongue which seems to be crucial to achieving change. Then, I can practice reducing the pressure of my tongue just enough to inhale and exhale while hearing and feeling the resistance of the air passing through the narrowed space. Finally I try to back off the tongue enough to breathe relatively freely, while still trying to feel that posterior tongue contacting the soft palate. It's a delicate balance, that I probably am not maintaining correctly most of the time, but the idea is that it gets easier as you become more accustomed to the posture and hopefully as your maxilla slowly moves up and forward, creating more tongue space in the processes, and in a virtuous cycle making it easier to be more consistent with correct oral posture. If you have a narrow maxillary arch, palate expanders can create lateral space to fit your tongue on your palate with less restriction on your airway. Does that all make sense?
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This depends entirely on your individual situation. If you had perfect development, lifting your tongue to the roof of your mouth wouldn't obstruct your airway at all. If you have bad development, lifting your posterior tongue up to the ideal position might totally occlude your airway. If this is the case you have to compromise and back off your tongue enough to breath freely through your nose while still engaging the soft palate.
I think you have to release the posterior 1/3 of your tongue enough to breathe. Some people have suggested lifting the posterior tongue between breaths, but I'm not sure that's really practical. Hopefully with practice over time, you'll gain more nuanced control to achieve that balance of keeping contact with the soft palate without pushing it all the way against your pharynx and blocking the airway.
like someone said before i lift it in between breaths, but breathing in or out while doing it is impossible for me. I'd love to hear from someone who has been in the same situation and can now do it
So if i have correct oral posture im not able to breath? So i have to create a little air way between my tounge and palate? But the i wouldnt be pushing tho. Hm confusing kinda. I make some "workouts" Where i have to hold my breath cause im pushing really hard, for like 30 mins 2 times a day. The rest of the day i try to push the rest of the pallet to make it a little wider. Hm thanks tho apollo
like someone said before i lift it in between breaths, but breathing in or out while doing it is impossible for me. I'd love to hear from someone who has been in the same situation and can now do it
i think people dont really push their third back part of the tounge up.
This depends entirely on your individual situation. If you had perfect development, lifting your tongue to the roof of your mouth wouldn't obstruct your airway at all. If you have bad development, lifting your posterior tongue up to the ideal position might totally occlude your airway. If this is the case you have to compromise and back off your tongue enough to breath freely through your nose while still engaging the soft palate.
I think you have to release the posterior 1/3 of your tongue enough to breathe. Some people have suggested lifting the posterior tongue between breaths, but I'm not sure that's really practical. Hopefully with practice over time, you'll gain more nuanced control to achieve that balance of keeping contact with the soft palate without pushing it all the way against your pharynx and blocking the airway.
so i should try to push so long so it will create more space wich will create a lil air ay to breathe?
Good point. I'm also not sure how one should can get from no breathing to breathing normally if you can't breath at all.
I started to put the back of my tongue up the palate a week ago and I was able to breathe, but it was very exhausting and I couldn't do it longer than for five minutes. Now a week I can almost breath freely even when the back of my tongue is up (I just have to check every now and then again if it is still up or not)
I'm not sure how to help you, but I'd just try to get the tip of the tongue up and get used to it. Maybe you can gradually put more of your tongue up and slowly increase the width of your palate/get the maxilla further out.
I'm still sceptical about this whole mewing thing and I'm just doing it as an self-experiment for a year. I was quite surprised that I'm now able to breath almost effortlessy through my nose even when the back of my tongue is up, which I couldn't do just a week ago. So this is maybe some kind of progress? So maybe you could try to get the tongue up and hold it for as long as you can without breathing? Maybe you might be able to breath with effort after a month or so.
yea man even tho i want to believe in it, ill always be a little sceptical. But thats just how i am about everything. But if you dig really deep into mewing there some pretty nice pieces of evidence. But do you really have the third back of your tounge up? Agains the roof pushing. I cant imagine. When i do it right my whole neck muscles start pushing up to. Like in the front and they get tired after some time. Can u see your neck muscles going up?
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