My upper arch is asymmetric compared to my overall face and lower arch which is perfectly in line with the sagittal plane of my face.
How should I mew and chew? EddieMoney is apparently trying to coincide(?) the upper and lower midlines, from what he said about his routine. Should I do the same?
My bite/occlusion particularly in the premolars and molars is off slightly when the midlines in the front coincide. Would this get corrected when the upper arch expands?
I'm also chewing 95% of the time with my right as I've got mandibular and masetter asymmetries and a higher gonial angle (because of shorter ramus) in the right side.
Would love to have some insight on this.
My upper arch is asymmetric compared to my overall face and lower arch which is perfectly in line with the sagittal plane of my face.
How should I mew and chew? EddieMoney is apparently trying to coincide(?) the upper and lower midlines, from what he said about his routine. Should I do the same?
My bite/occlusion particularly in the premolars and molars is off slightly when the midlines in the front coincide. Would this get corrected when the upper arch expands?
I'm also chewing 95% of the time with my right as I've got mandibular and masetter asymmetries and a higher gonial angle (because of shorter ramus) in the right side.
Would love to have some insight on this.
I like to coincide upper and lower midlines and then use my mandible to pull back on the cusps of the maxillary premolars. Especially on the side where the bite is posteriorly open (your left?)
I do this with an up and back pulling motion led by the temporalis. As a result my discrepancy has adjusted favorably a bit. My posterior open bite is less pronounced.
I like to coincide upper and lower midlines and then use my mandible to pull back on the cusps of the maxillary premolars. Especially on the side where the bite is posteriorly open (your left?)
Yeah, the posterior openbite is on my left. I need to brush up on my terminology.
Okay, to do it as you described is a bit difficult without changing the side I cuerently chew on, which is the right (I used to chew on my left my whole life which lead to asymmetric ramii and gonial angles.) but I'll try to form the habit by chewing in front of a mirror. Thanks for the tip.
I do this with an up and back pulling motion led by the temporalis. As a result my discrepancy has adjusted favorably a bit. My posterior open bite is less pronounced.
Are you talking about midline discrepancy? Good to know you improved it, gives me hope.
I like to coincide upper and lower midlines and then use my mandible to pull back on the cusps of the maxillary premolars. Especially on the side where the bite is posteriorly open (your left?)
Yeah, the posterior openbite is on my left. I need to brush up on my terminology.
Okay, to do it as you described is a bit difficult without changing the side I cuerently chew on, which is the right (I used to chew on my left my whole life which lead to asymmetric ramii and gonial angles.) but I'll try to form the habit by chewing in front of a mirror. Thanks for the tip.
I do this with an up and back pulling motion led by the temporalis. As a result my discrepancy has adjusted favorably a bit. My posterior open bite is less pronounced.
Are you talking about midline discrepancy? Good to know you improved it, gives me hope.
Yes. Truthfully the midline discrepancy is caused by one side having more of an open bite than the other, so the mandible shifts to that side which throws off your midlines. My theory is that while the mandible adjusts to the maxilla, why can't the maxilla adjust to the mandible?
This feeling of pulling on my upper premolar cusps with my bottom ones also creates a lot of braces-like soreness in the maxilla after a chewing session (even with soft gum). It's almost as if I am using my mandible movements to try and adjust my maxillary teeth position.
As far as mewing, this is where teeth apart mandible placement has helped. I look in the mirror and also at my reflection against the mirror to see where I am asymmetric. Then I adjust my mandible to where my lips look most centered. I also picked my lips for like 2 seconds and then let gentle suction pull them back. This also lets me see where my philtrum should be, because with my asymmetry my philtrum tilted a bit to the right. So doing the above places the philtrum in its proper place by using my lip muscles and cheek muscles to pucker.
All of this causes my mandible to shift to the left a bit, which is the opposite of my asymmetry. If I feel my rami with my fingers they feel equally long. Then I open my mouth. My midline discrepancy is then shifted in favor of my mandible now being too far left in relation to the bite, BUT my face muscles and expression are symmetrical there. So this means my maxilla is so tilted to the right and down that doing this causes even tongue pressure.
Yes. Truthfully the midline discrepancy is caused by one side having more of an open bite than the other, so the mandible shifts to that side which throws off your midlines. My theory is that while the mandible adjusts to the maxilla, why can't the maxilla adjust to the mandible?
Precisely. I'm gonna give this a go and see if I observe any change to my current situation.
This feeling of pulling on my upper premolar cusps with my bottom ones also creates a lot of braces-like soreness in the maxilla after a chewing session (even with soft gum). It's almost as if I am using my mandible movements to try and adjust my maxillary teeth position.
My only question is, won't this cause tooth wear as the cusps on my left have no food to chew on (as I'm chewing on my right)?
Or is it a necessary evil I need to go through since I'm only doing this till the posterior overbite corrects?
As far as mewing, this is where teeth apart mandible placement has helped. I look in the mirror and also at my reflection against the mirror to see where I am asymmetric. Then I adjust my mandible to where my lips look most centered. I also picked my lips for like 2 seconds and then let gentle suction pull them back. This also lets me see where my philtrum should be, because with my asymmetry my philtrum tilted a bit to the right. So doing the above places the philtrum in its proper place by using my lip muscles and cheek muscles to pucker.
I already mew with my teeth not in contact after reading your posts about it and since I am having similar issues you had in the past.
Fortunately my philtrum doesn't get tilted to either side and even the tilting of my lower lip is very minor, it took me really looking closely in a mirror a few days ago to even notice it.
All of this causes my mandible to shift to the left a bit, which is the opposite of my asymmetry. If I feel my rami with my fingers they feel equally long. Then I open my mouth. My midline discrepancy is then shifted in favor of my mandible now being too far left in relation to the bite, BUT my face muscles and expression are symmetrical there. So this means my maxilla is so tilted to the right and down that doing this causes even tongue pressure.
So your ramii are equal in length? Wish I could say the same. Was it equal even before you started addressing the asymmetries or did it improve over time?
Yes. Truthfully the midline discrepancy is caused by one side having more of an open bite than the other, so the mandible shifts to that side which throws off your midlines. My theory is that while the mandible adjusts to the maxilla, why can't the maxilla adjust to the mandible?
Precisely. I'm gonna give this a go and see if I observe any change to my current situation.
This feeling of pulling on my upper premolar cusps with my bottom ones also creates a lot of braces-like soreness in the maxilla after a chewing session (even with soft gum). It's almost as if I am using my mandible movements to try and adjust my maxillary teeth position.
My only question is, won't this cause tooth wear as the cusps on my left have no food to chew on (as I'm chewing on my right)?
I suppose having teeth apart can mitigate that but when I chew on one side my other teeth barely touch on the other side due to the shift.
Or is it a necessary evil I need to go through since I'm only doing this till the posterior overbite corrects?
All these things I am experimenting with so I don't know how necessary they are.
As far as mewing, this is where teeth apart mandible placement has helped. I look in the mirror and also at my reflection against the mirror to see where I am asymmetric. Then I adjust my mandible to where my lips look most centered. I also picked my lips for like 2 seconds and then let gentle suction pull them back. This also lets me see where my philtrum should be, because with my asymmetry my philtrum tilted a bit to the right. So doing the above places the philtrum in its proper place by using my lip muscles and cheek muscles to pucker.
I already mew with my teeth not in contact after reading your posts about it and since I am having similar issues you had in the past.
Fortunately my philtrum doesn't get tilted to either side and even the tilting of my lower lip is very minor, it took me really looking closely in a mirror a few days ago to even notice it.
All of this causes my mandible to shift to the left a bit, which is the opposite of my asymmetry. If I feel my rami with my fingers they feel equally long. Then I open my mouth. My midline discrepancy is then shifted in favor of my mandible now being too far left in relation to the bite, BUT my face muscles and expression are symmetrical there. So this means my maxilla is so tilted to the right and down that doing this causes even tongue pressure.
So your ramii are equal in length? Wish I could say the same. Was it equal even before you started addressing the asymmetries or did it improve over time?
They are only equal if my teeth don't touch and I align my face muscles symmetrically in a mirror to mirror. Otherwise if I touch molars my right ramus sits higher than my left. My left side has good downward growth and my right lacks it. I think my right side is actually the underdeveloped one, which explains why girls have told me my left side is my best angle. My ogee curve is better on my right though (maybe that's why my left looks better).
When my rami are equal my incisors touch. But I don't have a Class 2, I have a Class 3 relationship with a Class 2 structure due to missing teeth and closed gaps on my mandible. Otherwise I would have a legit Class 3 at my incisors.
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