Posted by: @changing

I've been sitting in the background of the forum for a long time, and have know about all of this kind of material for almost 8 years now.

 

I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the options of what I can continue to do to make the desired changes in my craniofacial complex 

 

I'm making the post to see if anyone on here would like to create a unique program with me for moving towards my desired results. I'd happily pay you to organize and customize a program consisting of all the most effective methods discussed on this forum and others. I just don't have the time to go through all the information online.

 

I of course know all the basic elements of mewing etc. but have seen a lot of unique and advanced strategies by some posters on here. I'll go through the forum and see if there are particular users I can tag for this. I've seen some pretty nuanced stuff written on here that I haven't found in 8 years of applying this stuff. 

 

I also don't want to share my photos online here so working with someone privately would be best for me, as well as making things most streamlined. Reach out to me, talk soon!

You don't need to upload pictures, just write about your profile. Is your maxilla collapsed? Are your upper teeth flaring? Are your lower teeth far too forward relative to your mandible? What's your bite class? Is your IMW below 40mm? Is your ICW below 30mm?

In practice I haven't seen a single person here who didn't need forward and upward maxillary re-modelling. I've seen many with lower teeth far too forward, which isn't easy to correct. It's something I myself still have and still am trying to fix:

Ideally the base of the lower teeth should be straight.

@auxiliarus

Thanks for the reply. My maxilla and midface is deficient. I'm a class 1 with normal overjet but that was somewhat unnaturally produced through braces I had when I was younger. I don't know my measurements currently but I have a fairly wide palate. My main interest as you mentioned is upwards and forwards remodeling of the maxilla as with basically everyone.

I've also recently had 3D scans done of my entire skull and has shown several asymmetries in my skull, jaw, and condyles. I also have fairly prominent antegonial notches on both jaw. There are a variety of cranial strains and contortions that I'm going to work on with some good osteopaths. 

I can upload my teeth like that. You were one of the poster's who I was interested to hear from. As far as the upwards and forwards remodeling of the maxilla what have you found to be most effective? 

Posted by: @changing

@auxiliarus

Thanks for the reply. My maxilla and midface is deficient. I'm a class 1 with normal overjet but that was somewhat unnaturally produced through braces I had when I was younger. I don't know my measurements currently but I have a fairly wide palate. My main interest as you mentioned is upwards and forwards remodeling of the maxilla as with basically everyone.

 

I've also recently had 3D scans done of my entire skull and has shown several asymmetries in my skull, jaw, and condyles. I also have fairly prominent antegonial notches on both jaw. There are a variety of cranial strains and contortions that I'm going to work on with some good osteopaths. 

 

I can upload my teeth like that. You were one of the poster's who I was interested to hear from. As far as the upwards and forwards remodeling of the maxilla what have you found to be most effective? 

Here are my own opinions that formed over the years:

• CCW rotation doesn't exist/is impossible with mewing, the lower maxilla remodels forward and upward, but the whole maxilla itself doesn't rotate. At least in my experience I haven't experienced any actual maxilla rotation and neither have I seen such a thing on x-rays before.

• Slow changes > fast changes. A lot of people here who expanded with MSE did so too fast and their face looks kinda unnatural, because the faster you expand the less likely you are to expand the whole face and the more likely you are to just expand only the alveolar ridges. If you expand slowly the whole face widens with the palate including the lower jaw as well. If the maxilla remodels slowly forward the whole structure will change.

• Mike's mewing instructions are only good for people with already good palates. For people like me with arched palates his instructions won't work. Not only that but the n-spot doesn't have any leverage for producing forward forces. Ideally your want your tongue to rest relaxed against the palate, with the passive forces pushing on the palate upwards and forwards. I find the best spot for such leverage to be much higher right on top of the alveolar ridge.

• I think it's very hard to fix an arched palate. Maybe even impossible naturally, I tried suction many times but I just don't see any changes at all, not even minuscule. But I do think it's important to bring the posterior teeth downwards as much as possible, just not sure how to keep the suction at night.

• Most remodeling happens at night for sure, that's why having such tongue posture that even if you were to fully relax your tongue would stay is important.

• Over time remodeling happens faster and faster, not sure why, just my own personal experience.

• Back of the tongue being up is overrated, at the very best it's only to provide suction which provide downward forces on the posterior palate, but I personally find it hard to keep passive suction at night.

• Passive tension is key. You won't be able to consciously tense your tongue at night. A good exercise is to semi-tense your tongue throughout the day against the alveolar ridge forward and against the gums above teeth sideways.  Passive tension is typically created by prolonged low-effort tension.

• The lower teeth protruding is a huge problem and fixing it is underrated. I never hear anyone talk about this, but almost every modern x-ray shows some form of lower teeth protrusion. This causes the mandible to move backward to maintain occlusion. This in effect causes so many problems: Mandible retrusion, TMJ, tongue further away from the palate(less forces on the palate = collapsing maxilla) and breathing obstruction.

• Modern man probably chews too move backwardly(temporalis pattern), causing lower teeth protrusion and maxilla recession. I now try to chew food always in forward motion or sideways.

• Lip seal is important to prevent protrusion of lower and upper teeth.

• Passive masseter tension prevents the palate from expanding too much.

I think that's about all I've learned over the years.

@auxiliarus John Mew has told me that the tongue should rest on the rugae papilla included, but I find it hard to exert any forwards pressure if the tip is placed there.