I did this straight for 4 Months. Now my Eyes are very very asymmetrical. My left eye is a lot higher than the other one. Does anybody know why that is and how to improve this? I become very ugly and People stare at me like i am weird when i talk to them. Sorry for my english btw, im from germany.
in 4 months? drastic changes? only if you mewed completely wrong and opposite of what you should regarding your asymmetry...
Mewing is very complex altho is sounds very simple, you need to feel and adapt your mew to your situation, especially with asymmetry
Do you have pictures?
Remember: the tongue consists of two individual halves. There are many ways to induce asymmetry:
Reversing it is a matter of first mirroring the imbalance and then fusing both directions to one unified movement.
Ok. And how can i improve the asymmetry now?
I imagine that practicing proper posture with equal force applied throughout will eventually "even out" the asymmetries. If one surface of the palate is lower than the other for example, applying an even force vertically will have a net effect of being more applied to the lower side, until both sides are eventually the same.
Doing this correctly might be easier said than done.
Sadly this might have happened to me too. I am unaware however as to whether this happened because of mewing, or I've slowly come to notice it as I've been paying more attention to my facial structure
Sadly this might have happened to me too. I am unaware however as to whether this happened because of mewing, or I've slowly come to notice it as I've been paying more attention to my facial structure
It can happen relatively easy, and almost always when starting off from asymmetrical posture. The face develops, but its level of misalignment stays the same. It takes a lot of daily attention to find a way to perform the exact opposite of the existing asymmetrical postural function (both at rest and during walking, cycling etc). The problem is that visible asymmetry generally translates to full 3D spinal scoliosis, and the sensory cues regarding spinal alignment are inconveniently subtle. I have been working for almost a year on fixing my scoliosis and I'm only now beginning to reach periods of practically impeccable symmetrical posture. The last 10% have taken the longest.
Sadly this might have happened to me too. I am unaware however as to whether this happened because of mewing, or I've slowly come to notice it as I've been paying more attention to my facial structure
It can happen relatively easy, and almost always when starting off from asymmetrical posture. The face develops, but its level of misalignment stays the same. It takes a lot of daily attention to find a way to perform the exact opposite of the existing asymmetrical postural function (both at rest and during walking, cycling etc). The problem is that visible asymmetry generally translates to full 3D spinal scoliosis, and the sensory cues regarding spinal alignment are inconveniently subtle. I have been working for almost a year on fixing my scoliosis and I'm only now beginning to reach periods of practically impeccable symmetrical posture. The last 10% have taken the longest.
What might you advise in the instance of a crossbite and asymmetrical palate? The normal half of my face has a flatter palate which accommodates the tongue. The other half has a narrower vaulted palate. Above the palate, the maxilla on that side is quite recessed. Proper tongue placement is impossible, and I find that the only way to leverage more force on that side is to contort my tongue in strange way. Otherwise all of the sensation is felt on the healthy side. But it's not an easy position to maintain for very long because it is not a natural position whatsoever.
Which side of my maxilla causes the asymmetry if my left eye is placed higher than the right eye?
For me things move around. I have a lot of asymmetry, but it’s where you unkink a piece of metal. It can get weirde before it gets better, at least for me!
Please anybody tell me how to improve the asymmetry!
I think "Progress" provided a good guide up there with the pictures.
My face and eyes, it seems to me, tend to get *more* symmetrical when I mew. It's like things click into place.
It can happen relatively easy, and almost always when starting off from asymmetrical posture. The face develops, but its level of misalignment stays the same. It takes a lot of daily attention to find a way to perform the exact opposite of the existing asymmetrical postural function (both at rest and during walking, cycling etc). The problem is that visible asymmetry generally translates to full 3D spinal scoliosis, and the sensory cues regarding spinal alignment are inconveniently subtle. I have been working for almost a year on fixing my scoliosis and I'm only now beginning to reach periods of practically impeccable symmetrical posture. The last 10% have taken the longest.
Do you know the cause of your scoliosis or was it labeled idiopathic when you were diagnosed?
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
It can happen relatively easy, and almost always when starting off from asymmetrical posture. The face develops, but its level of misalignment stays the same. It takes a lot of daily attention to find a way to perform the exact opposite of the existing asymmetrical postural function (both at rest and during walking, cycling etc). The problem is that visible asymmetry generally translates to full 3D spinal scoliosis, and the sensory cues regarding spinal alignment are inconveniently subtle. I have been working for almost a year on fixing my scoliosis and I'm only now beginning to reach periods of practically impeccable symmetrical posture. The last 10% have taken the longest.
Do you know the cause of your scoliosis or was it labeled idiopathic when you were diagnosed?
On some level it already begun at childhood, as I got braces for crossbite when I was 6. I begun using computer at 4-5, which probably was the beginning of it all. After that, years of asymmetrical activity throughout adolescence & young adulthood: sloughing at computer, skate/snowboarding, playing guitar, bass and cello. Each one of the forementioned activities seemed to re-inforce the same anatomical patterns, as non-familiar, healthier patterns of movement would feel like injury-zone and were therefore instinctually avoided.
As far as I understand, scoliosis is more like a spinal "lock" than an actual skeletal growth pattern (although lack of skeletal growth may be involved also for bones other than the skull.). As an anatomical imbalance it is so deep and fundamental that it takes a lot of work to reverse, which is why many once again treat is as an inherited condition, illness or something to that extent. Of course such factors could cause persistent scoliosis, but I it is uncommon. The scoliotic imbalance often results in a full body "zig zag" pattern, meaning that left/right/anterior/posterior muscles all have both strong and weak muscles interlaced and stacked upon each other. You may bear weigh with the left sides of your soles, you may lean your hips to the right, rotate the torso to back-left, shoulders forward right etc. It's a painstaking process with many layers. I have worked my way up from toes to skull 3 times, each leaving me with a more fit and free physique than the last time.
So you think there is a functional cause behind your scoliosis. I have a very mild scoliosis with muscle imbalance, but I think of it separately from my other postural disorders such as pronated feet, forward pelvic tilt, rounded back, and forward head, because those conditions can exist independently of scoliosis. Meaning someone with those condition can still have no lateral curvature in his spine. I suspect in my case sleeping on one side from when I was a child made me develop scoliosis, but its very hard to pinpoint the cause. Very few doctors who treat scoliosis have deep enough knowledge to investigate such matter.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
All such imbalances can of course exist in isolation, but often they exist in unison. When so, they are one same problem. Imbalance at one postural location leads to compensatory imbalance somewhere else. There are two ways to postural compensation: asymmetric muscle pair activation, and asymmetric muscle group activation. Ex. in non-scoliotic imbalance whole upper back is symmetrically weaker than abs and chest area. In scoliotic imbalance the compensation occurs through imbalanced muscle pairs: one side of the tongue/trapezius/quad/whatever is neurologically preferred.
In scoliosis, one line is favored over the other line (non-exact illustration). In non-scoliotic imbalance, both lines at certain area are favored over both lines at some other area. Note also how the posterior tongue/neck of one side is stabilized by the inner foot sole of opposite side.
Over time both kind of compensatory imbalances stack up until the whole physique is in a state of fundamental dysfunction. The end result is usually scoliosis + kyphosis/lordosis.
That's what I have, scoliosis + upper and lower cross syndrome, though the later has diminished allot with postural correction.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
Yeah. If you keep challenging your spinal range of motion every day, you will inevitably continue improving your physique and gaining insight about your anatomy. I was very out of touch with my physical body when I began two years ago. My body now moves in ways I have never experienced before, and I'm still improving.
Two tips that have great long term consequences:
1) Stay away from shoes with elevated heels. They don't allow hips to function in a way that provides wholesome postural support for the lower spine. Walk "on the shoe" rather than "on the ground", meaning that you lift the shoe up by curling your your toes up and step down with the ball of your foot . Don't step down with heel like almost everyone does, but do still keep center of gravity at the heel once the foot is down. There should be slight tension across the foot/calf/shin that prevents stepping down heel first.
2) Sit on solid and even surfaces. Even like this it can still be challenging to position yourself straight. Thighs may be rotated slightly CW/CCW, one buttock may be further back from the hips than the other, your overall weight may favor one side of the hips . When you add soft, arbitrarily contouring cushioning, balancing the body becomes almost impossible.
Two tips that have great long term consequences:
1) Stay away from shoes with elevated heels. They don't allow hips to function in a way that provides wholesome postural support for the lower spine. Walk "on the shoe" rather than "on the ground", meaning that you lift the shoe up by curling your your toes up and step down with the ball of your foot . Don't step down with heel like almost everyone does, but do still keep center of gravity at the heel once the foot is down. There should be slight tension across the foot/calf/shin that prevents stepping down heel first.
I just want to point out that using flat shoes is a very bad idea if you have pronated feet. Switching to flat shoes will cause allot of pain as they do not offer the arch support that people with pronation need. Only after building up the strength of their arch through targeted exercises of the abductor hallucis, tibialis, and gluteus muscles can a person proceed to using flat shoes. I learned this way the hard way.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
Two tips that have great long term consequences:
1) Stay away from shoes with elevated heels. They don't allow hips to function in a way that provides wholesome postural support for the lower spine. Walk "on the shoe" rather than "on the ground", meaning that you lift the shoe up by curling your your toes up and step down with the ball of your foot . Don't step down with heel like almost everyone does, but do still keep center of gravity at the heel once the foot is down. There should be slight tension across the foot/calf/shin that prevents stepping down heel first.
I just want to point out that using flat shoes is a very bad idea if you have pronated feet. Switching to flat shoes will cause allot of pain as they do not offer the arch support that people with pronation need. Only after building up the strength of their arch through targeted exercises of the abductor hallucis, tibialis, and gluteus muscles can a person proceed to using flat shoes. I learned this way the hard way.
That's good to know. I had fallen arches when I started, did not experience discomfort though. The experience could be a bit different on new shoes with fresh insole vs shoes that have lost their integrity and adapted to your fallen arches.
Which side of my maxilla causes the asymmetry if my left eye is placed higher than the right eye?
we don't know if your left eye is too high or your right is too low. mind posting a picture?
I can recognize that both my left and my right eye are asymmetrical. My left eye is placed higher and my right eye lower.
Which of your inner canthus is further down? Do any of your eyes tilt in (like a cat) and does the other tilt down like a drooping shape?
By tilt in I mean the inner eye is lower than the outer eye. That is the "cat" tilt. The other tilt is when your inner eye is higher than your outer eye. Which one does what?
One side of my face is severely recessed (lower eye, darker dark circle on this side,lower cheekbone, lower lip, teeth arch is more narrow on this side too and even my forehead is flatter!). I thought it was due to having braces, however i have looked back on pictures before braces and a slight recession was always there however it is not as prominent as it is now.
I am now trying to mew my way out of this asymmetry. Has anyone successfully corrected an asymmetric face where the eye and cheekbone is lower?
I am currently putting more force onto the left side of my palate which is lower. The amazing thing is when i do this i actually FEEL tension DIRECTLY on my cheekbones and eye area. The force is more when my teeth are together but i am worried keeping my teeth together will move my mandible (which is strangely enough NOT recessed, just my maxilla is).
The force is more when my teeth are together but i am worried keeping my teeth together will move my mandible (which is strangely enough NOT recessed, just my maxilla is).
You're saying you have a class 3 bite?
You can probably fix this. First off you have to figure out why mewing gave you asymmetry. Are your teeth off center? Is your jaw off center? Etc.
Next you have to find a way to push the lower eye up until your eyes are even again. Chew gum and mew more on the droopy side and over time they will balance out again.
just googled this and no definitely not, my bite actually comes together perfectly fine, but my maxilla is recessed on the left hand side.
just googled this and no definitely not, my bite actually comes together perfectly fine, but my maxilla is recessed on the left hand side.
Then you have prognathism it sounds like which is a classic symptom of maxillary recession especially seen in people with bad posture.
Used to be in the same boat. Slowly mewing my way out of it.
Wow. You are absolutely right. My right eye (from my point of view) has clearly a negative canthal tilt. My left eye is neutral. Now i think my right eye causes the asymmetry due to its negative canthal tilt. How can i improve this?
And which is the droopy side? This is what i’m trying to figure out.
And which is the droopy side? This is what i’m trying to figure out.
The droopy side is the one with the eye that has a negative tilt. You can improve this by chewing more on that side, and by mewing more on that side with extra tongue and bite force.
Most importantly you have to figure out what caused the asymmetry in the first place though.
I know this because I went through the same thing myself and fixed it.
First of all, thank you. How long does it take to push the droopy side up ?
First of all, thank you. How long does it take to push the droopy side up ?
Hard to assess. Depends on so many factors like how much pressure you put on one side, how much time your tongue stays engaged, etc. I have been "mewing symmetrically) for almost 7 months and my midline has shifted like 1 mm. It is a very lengthy process. But I feel even this has made a difference in my facial symmetry since that 1 mm of my midline shifting left has affected my entire face
Hi, sorry to crash this chat but this is exactly what is happening to me now as well. Can someone tell me what should i do? Should i be putting more pressure on a certain side of the roof? I have always known my eyes are a little asymmetrical but it has never been an issue till recently when i took photos, my left eye always appears bigger than the right. What a nightmare. As if an asymmetrical jaw and canted set of teeth isnt bad enough. Below are the details. please help!
This happened to me too and it's so upsetting. I admit I was clenching while mewing... but honestly there is so much debate about hard mewing that I don't think I should even bother with it. I had straight teeth before and now my bottom teeth are all facing inward (I know, this is cause I was clenching) but Right now I just have my whole tongue on the palate and I can feel that my tongue is touching my bottom teeth even though my mouth is open. Especially my left bottom teeth which is the side that's turning over :O SOOOO I'm just going to leave it like that. If my whole skull bent how you say it might have, I don't think I need to bite to fix it.
Also If you have any more information that could help me pleasee, I don't think it made me significantly uglier but I don't like it haha It gave me muscle skeletal problems though which hurts sooo much.
Also @Progress, where did you get all of your information from?
@astenzel @crookedberry @yamiprincess
As @progress describes in this thread, the cause of asymmetries can be coming from anywhere in the body, so it is important to commit yourself to achieving structural balance. Practicing yoga may be a good method to achieve this. The cause of asymmetries could also be as simple as imbalanced tongue posture or a habit of tilting the head to one side. You can do neck stretches to even out head posture, but the head tilt itself could be caused from some other imbalance in the body, such as uneven hips, so a whole body regimen is preferable.
Imbalanced tongue posture could come from an imbalanced swallow. I have been doing this exercise lately which is really helping my asymmetrical palate so in theory should help my facial asymmetries as well in time. I describe it here... /community/community/main-forum/exercise-to-fix-asymmetries/ Make sure to do the exercise with a correct swallow.
@yamiprincess When correct tongue posture is applied with the back of the tongue all the way up and the lips sealed, a vacuum is created inside the mouth. This puts an invisible pressure on the front teeth, which pushes the bottom teeth forward. My bottom front teeth are tilted more forward now because of mewing. My advice is to practice the mew push swallow exercises, both the cheesy swallow and very very cheesy swallow. A good swallow should create good tongue posture. I know when I first started mewing I could really feel this invisible pressure on my bottom front teeth.
Do you think that Mike Mew is looking into this? I went to a chiropractor who diagnosed me with scoliosis and a rotated C2 vertebrae... I didn't have either of these things before I started mewing but after mewing some times I sit down for a while and stand back up and can't walk right... it's like I have dystonia and wry neck. My chiropractor also said that my cervical neck flipped inside out and is what's making me feel the most pain. He told me to lay my neck on a rolled up towel which has been helping... I like what mewing did to my skull but I don't like what it did to my neck, body function, and the rest of my appearance. The worst part is that my problem can just totality go under the radar with out any one ever looking into and solving what ever happened to me after I started mewing. I was told that my bones look symmetrical otherwise, but the spine is out of place and wrong. Would Mike Mew even advocate for us after getting structural damage for following what he told us to? I'm really scared of being alone and never listened to in this situation. No one ever discovering what precisely happened and solving it... I'm going to go to a physiatrist next...
I have some asymmetries in my eyes as well, i think its only in the eyes, and i think it came because when i got contact lenses, the f***'er gave me different strenghs for each eye. I have now quit the lenses, but i think that is what started it. My one eye sees a little better than the other now, but i dont think that was the case before.
OP, you didn't mention whether or not you have compared pre-mewing photos of yourself with post-mewing photos. This is the only way you'd be able to confirm for sure if the mewing has caused asymmetry. Until you have this confirmation, there is every possibility that you'd always had the asymmetry but just didn't notice it before.
I see a lot of these "I've been mewing a few months and I've noticed this asymmetry I don't like" posts online, and I'm convinced that in the vast majority of cases, immersing themselves in the subject of mewing and bone structure has caused them to scrutinize their faces far closer than they ever have before. This in turn has caused them to notice quirks and asymmetries that they didn't realize they had, and of course it gets blamed on the mewing. Changing your tongue posture is a large commitment and it kind of takes over your life for a while - it's perfectly natural during this time to obsess over whether or not you notice any changes. So you pounce on anything that looks even remotely like a change. Personally, I am extremely dubious of the idea that people can move the bones in their face around with tongue pressure in just a few months.
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