So I am someone with a long narrow face, but I'm someone with barely any crowding on my lower teeth, and I actually have a gap in front two teeth. Also, I never had to have my wisdom teeth removed. My intermolar width is about 39mm and since I started mewing, I never had trouble fitting my tongue on the roof of my mouth.
Given all of this, why am I still so malformed (narrow jaw, recessed face, big nose)? According to the theory here, shouldn't I look better looking with those three/four things already established?
Craniofacial dystrophy can come in any combination of features. I suppose this depends on factors like what age you start bad oral habits, what bad habits you take up, and what kind of productive or counterproductive orthodontics you've had to "correct" the problems, in addition to your underlying genetic potential. Your case sounds pretty classic except that your palate isn't quite as narrow as some, although still significantly narrower than ideal.
Simple. It isn't just about palate width. What is your Mew indicator line measure? Also your palate is like 3mm below ideal
i included three other factors, not just the palate width.
i never had a need to have my wisdom teeth removed, which is a big plus with Dr. Mew. and i have almost no crowding, and for my upper teeth, i had the opposite problem. i actually had a gap in my front teeth. this, i would think, is evidence that my tongue has been doing some work, but my maxilla is still super recessed.
i included three other factors, not just the palate width.
i never had a need to have my wisdom teeth removed, which is a big plus with Dr. Mew. and i have almost no crowding, and for my upper teeth, i had the opposite problem. i actually had a gap in my front teeth. this, i would think, is evidence that my tongue has been doing some work, but my maxilla is still super recessed.
Your minimal dental crowding, space for wisdom teeth, and midline diastema are all just reflections of the fact that your palate and dental arches are slightly broader than the average adult with poor oral posture. So your maxilla can be moderately wide but still drop down and back. As I said, there are countless ways good and bad growth can combine to yield any combination of results. Have you ever had any orthodontic work done? I envy your wisdom teeth!
I have never had wisdom teeth pulled either. When I started my palate was at 38mm. On top of that never really had crowding either.
But none of that had any effect on the fact my maxilla was downward grown and rotated clockwise away from my face. This is why your boy Dr. Mew has his own method for measuring recession. Adult ideal is like 38mm to 44mm. What is your score? Mine is 48mm
Your palate can be wide, teeth in great position yet if your maxilla is downward grown CFD is still present. Too many factors at play here even more than what you listed.
How do you measure intermolar width? I can’t measure it precisely.
How do you measure intermolar width? I can’t measure it precisely.
ask your dentist to take an impression and cast a stone model
How do you measure intermolar width? I can’t measure it precisely.
You can use calipers to precisely measure the distance within your mouth as demonstrated on a model in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6IcjRUdHDM&t=
You can get a rough approximation stretching a tailor's tape or a piece of floss between the teeth.
I have never had wisdom teeth pulled either. When I started my palate was at 38mm. On top of that never really had crowding either.
But none of that had any effect on the fact my maxilla was downward grown and rotated clockwise away from my face. This is why your boy Dr. Mew has his own method for measuring recession. Adult ideal is like 38mm to 44mm. What is your score? Mine is 48mm
Your palate can be wide, teeth in great position yet if your maxilla is downward grown CFD is still present. Too many factors at play here even more than what you listed.
Interesting. Is there any chance you have before/progress pics? I'm curious to see how similar we look.
I'll have to try and measure recession. I found the method this morning, but can't find it right now. Do you have a link?
i included three other factors, not just the palate width.
i never had a need to have my wisdom teeth removed, which is a big plus with Dr. Mew. and i have almost no crowding, and for my upper teeth, i had the opposite problem. i actually had a gap in my front teeth. this, i would think, is evidence that my tongue has been doing some work, but my maxilla is still super recessed.
Your minimal dental crowding, space for wisdom teeth, and midline diastema are all just reflections of the fact that your palate and dental arches are slightly broader than the average adult with poor oral posture. So your maxilla can be moderately wide but still drop down and back. As I said, there are countless ways good and bad growth can combine to yield any combination of results. Have you ever had any orthodontic work done? I envy your wisdom teeth!
Haha, thanks! And I'm lucky enough to never had orthodontic work, unless filling in my gap counts ha.
You are lucky to have enough tongue space to achieve correct oral posture! If you are consistent you might get some upward and forward growth. I increased my intermolar width from around 34mm up to around the same width as you using a palate expander. It has become much easier to fit my tongue on the roof of my mouth and I'm starting to feel like I am maintaining correct posture during sleep. My maxilla is still recessed, so hopefully I can make some forward progress now that my tongue can fit.
I have never had wisdom teeth pulled either. When I started my palate was at 38mm. On top of that never really had crowding either.
But none of that had any effect on the fact my maxilla was downward grown and rotated clockwise away from my face. This is why your boy Dr. Mew has his own method for measuring recession. Adult ideal is like 38mm to 44mm. What is your score? Mine is 48mm
Your palate can be wide, teeth in great position yet if your maxilla is downward grown CFD is still present. Too many factors at play here even more than what you listed.
Interesting. Is there any chance you have before/progress pics? I'm curious to see how similar we look.
I'll have to try and measure recession. I found the method this morning, but can't find it right now. Do you have a link?
No pics yet as I haven't been tracking that until recently. That is where I want to see all my changes. So when I see changes in that I will update.
Here is a helpful post:
Here is a helpful post:
These are helpful instructions for measuring the mew indicator line! I suspect mine might be a millimeter or two higher than what I had reported because I was gently pressing the ruler into my nose. I would now conservatively estimate mine at about 45mm.
This is the distance from the tip of the nose to the incisal edge of the lowest upper central incisor (Fig. IV/15). The tip of the nose is defined as the furthest point from the Tragus of the ear... One caution is necessary when the maxilla is very retruded; the ruler must not be pressed against the nose but placed at a tangent to it and the line from the Tragus extended to where both lines meet figure IV/19). If desired the line can be measured on a lateral skull x-ray but do not forget to allow for enlargement. Clearly this measurement is no more than an ‘indication’, nevertheless it is surprisingly accurate. This unlikely measurement is now used to assess maxillary position throughout the world and is especially helpful for epidemiological studies where X-rays may not be possible. It provides an approximate guide of the relationship of the mid-face and the frontal bone, representing the ‘fullness.’
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