I feel like im beginning to go insane. Seeing my friends with non flat mid faces, good hairline, health, teeth, proper jaw placement, etc while having DISGUSTING neck posture
Lets be real here. It's been 3 years with no progress. I starting mewing when I was 15. I began trying to perfect my posture at 16-17. Nothing changed aside from slight muscle balance fixture in the body.
Why can't I do something natural that I'm supposed to do? Seeing my sibling with a close to perfect face, who wastes it by being a fat and lazy, is just brutal. I'm here thinking about if the back of my tongue is touching the roof of my mouth and if my neck is in the proper spot, walking like a stiff statue, hardly talking because then I'd lose my mewing spot. Teeth touching or not touching? Mew with only back tongue? all tongue? tip tongue? I asked a guy with a perfect face and he said his molars touched. I asked another guy with another perfect face, and he says his molars are not touching. Same for the tongue position. All different answers yet they all have proper faces.
All I ask for is so my overbite is fixed by pushing my maxilla up so my midface is not flat, and so my jaw is not recessed. Literally thats it.
It feels like its not possible to change naturally.
What are your main sticking points in terms of posture? What are you currently doing to improve your situation? You say that walking in what you deem proper tongue & neck posture feels stiff... where exactly do you feel this stifness?
It's true that until your teeth are in proper position in relation to the rest of the cranium, you have to proactively maintain your posture (you can try out what it feels like to have proper occlusal height by putting a pencil in between your molars - you'll likely notice that your posture improves instantly). However, improper positioning of the teeth shouldn't make you unable to progress forward. Either way, it'll require a lot of work. It took me over a year of casual bi-weekly effort to get to a point where I no longer needed to worry abut improving my posture, because my spinal musculature was finally working in unison. The process involved many gradual insights into the anatomical mechanisms of my body. Sometimes I did not improve for a few weeks, other times I made tremendous progress in just a few days as the isolated pieces of understanding clicked together.
It's certainly possible to change naturally, but you have to really want it.
What are your main sticking points in terms of posture? What are you currently doing to improve your situation? You say that walking in what you deem proper tongue & neck posture feels stiff... where exactly do you feel this stifness?
It's true that until your teeth are in proper position in relation to the rest of the cranium, you have to proactively maintain your posture (you can try out what it feels like to have proper occlusal height by putting a pencil in between your molars - you'll likely notice that your posture improves instantly). However, improper positioning of the teeth shouldn't make you unable to progress forward. Either way, it'll require a lot of work. It took me over a year of casual bi-weekly effort to get to a point where I no longer needed to worry abut improving my posture, because my spinal musculature was finally working in unison. The process involved many gradual insights into the anatomical mechanisms of my body. Sometimes I did not improve for a few weeks, other times I made tremendous progress in just a few days as the isolated pieces of understanding clicked together.
It's certainly possible to change naturally, but you have to really want it.
My main sticking points of posture is the stiff neck that I get from trying to put it back to fix my forward head posture. It helps me mew better from another problem that I have, which is not knowing how to exactly mew with my overbite. People are saying to keep teeth slightly apart but I find it hard to do. When I keep my molars intact however, my deep bite feels like its getting worse (and it is).
My palate and ramus horizontally are uneven. When I place a pencil between my molars, the right side of the pencil goes lower and the left goes higher. This makes it also a bit harder to mew. My bite also is not fully centered and is a few mm to the side (front 2 teeth and bottom 2 teeth line up just a little bit.
My body posture is good I'd like to say for the most part. My left ribcage sticks out a bit and I have no clue why. It's been like this my whole life which made my left shoulder slant down and my chest to be uneven. I fixed it mostly but if I go to extreme rest position my body goes back to the bad posture. I might have slight pectus excavatum. I do not have scoliosis.
I really really really really really want to just fix my overbite and flat midface. I'm literally willing to do anything to get it
Pic attached is my front teeth closed.
1. If you jut your jaw forward into an artificial underbite, does the strain on the neck lessen? If you try mewing from this position, do you experience any kind of improvement to your situation?
2. Have you tried including an upward rotation of the head to your chin tuck? Instead of aligning your eyes horizontally, go stand in front of a mirror and try to align your upper dental arch only. As you tilt the head back and up in this manner, can you feel how the upper back muscles wake up along with the core musculature of the torso? This essentially simulates the proper maxillary positioning, which allows you to further figure out what you need to focus on.
3. A good fix for upper body asymmetry is an exercise I call "imaginary luggage". Stand up, clench your hands into fists and reach your arms hard towards the floor along the sides of your body, then resist this movement with your whole body, especially the chest & deltoid and trapezius muscles. Imagine that you were carrying VERY heavy bags with good posture. Suck your stomach in. Don't allow your chest to curve too much outward (requires stabilization from the trapezius). Don't allow your butt to stick out. Alternate with the arms in front of you and behind you in order to activate anterior & rear torso in different ratio. Done with sufficiently high intensity, you should feel spasming and cramping around your upper chest, shoulders and back as the inactive muscles wake up and join into the effort. Pause the moment this happens, so as not to over-burden these muscles to the point of injury.
1. Yes strain lessens but basically impossible to put my tongue on upper palate. I can feel my jaw moving when I open and close my mouth while having my fingers in my ears so my jaw is obviously set back too
2. Yep and just as I guessed, I have a down-swung maxilla. Do you mew from this position?
3. Very interesting since I made up exercises similar to this, will probably do this too
But yes, I know whats wrong, but how do I go about fixing it? I basically have body posture down 😢
Should I just chin tuck 24/7? Im so confused still
Do you work out (ie. lift weights, walk frequently)? If not, I would start immediately. It'll help you get more in touch with your own body, feel out imbalances, make adjustments, etc.
I feel your frustration. Remember, asking the universe (or God or whatever you believe in) to change your bone structure is an immense request. You'll need to work like no one else will to achieve it.
1. Yes strain lessens but basically impossible to put my tongue on upper palate. I can feel my jaw moving when I open and close my mouth while having my fingers in my ears so my jaw is obviously set back too
2. Yep and just as I guessed, I have a down-swung maxilla. Do you mew from this position?
3. Very interesting since I made up exercises similar to this, will probably do this too
But yes, I know whats wrong, but how do I go about fixing it? I basically have body posture down 😢
Should I just chin tuck 24/7? Im so confused still
2. Some of the time, yes. I think it's useful to include a bit of variation into your default head angle, sometimes looking more downward and other times more upward. Over time you will notice how the rest of the spine wants to respond to each angle, which will teach you how to manipulate the head angle to your own benefit depending on what you are doing.
How to fix all this? This is a question you will have to answer for yourself. You are young, so it should be very possible to achieve remarkable changes. Since I'm 26, I'm currently going all in and building my tongue strength & stamina in order to be able to push really hard. You too could benefit from gradually increasing the force you mew with. You may notice that it takes a surprisingly intense force to be able to properly support the skull with the tongue... consider that the skull weighs around 4 kg/ 8 lbs and the average untrained tongue can only push with a force that is half of this. Failing to generate such push may be one reason your neck feels so stiff. When I mew with sufficient force, the rest of the neck and shoulder musculature needs to exert very little effort.
Yes, tucking the chin in gives a solid base for tongue posturing.
Do you work out (ie. lift weights, walk frequently)? If not, I would start immediately. It'll help you get more in touch with your own body, feel out imbalances, make adjustments, etc.
I feel your frustration. Remember, asking the universe (or God or whatever you believe in) to change your bone structure is an immense request. You'll need to work like no one else will to achieve it.
Yes I'm one of the best athletes in my state for my age group. Becoming physically quick and strong feels 100x easier then to fix my down-swung maxilla. I do agree it will take lots of work and im willing to spend hours of focus everyday if I have to. It just gets un-motivating after 3 years of 0 mm progress
1. Yes strain lessens but basically impossible to put my tongue on upper palate. I can feel my jaw moving when I open and close my mouth while having my fingers in my ears so my jaw is obviously set back too
2. Yep and just as I guessed, I have a down-swung maxilla. Do you mew from this position?
3. Very interesting since I made up exercises similar to this, will probably do this too
But yes, I know whats wrong, but how do I go about fixing it? I basically have body posture down 😢
Should I just chin tuck 24/7? Im so confused still
2. Some of the time, yes. I think it's useful to include a bit of variation into your default head angle, sometimes looking more downward and other times more upward. Over time you will notice how the rest of the spine wants to respond to each angle, which will teach you how to manipulate the head angle to your own benefit depending on what you are doing.
How to fix all this? This is a question you will have to answer for yourself. You are young, so it should be very possible to achieve remarkable changes. Since I'm 26, I'm currently going all in and building my tongue strength & stamina in order to be able to push really hard. You too could benefit from gradually increasing the force you mew with. You may notice that it takes a surprisingly intense force to be able to properly support the skull with the tongue... consider that the skull weighs around 4 kg/ 8 lbs and the average untrained tongue can only push with a force that is half of this. Failing to generate such push may be one reason your neck feels so stiff. When I mew with sufficient force, the rest of the neck and shoulder musculature needs to exert very little effort.
Yes, tucking the chin in gives a solid base for tongue posturing.
Thank you for your response, I will continue and try to train my tongue
Do you work out (ie. lift weights, walk frequently)? If not, I would start immediately. It'll help you get more in touch with your own body, feel out imbalances, make adjustments, etc.
I feel your frustration. Remember, asking the universe (or God or whatever you believe in) to change your bone structure is an immense request. You'll need to work like no one else will to achieve it.
Yes I'm one of the best athletes in my state for my age group. Becoming physically quick and strong feels 100x easier then to fix my down-swung maxilla. I do agree it will take lots of work and im willing to spend hours of focus everyday if I have to. It just gets un-motivating after 3 years of 0 mm progress
Did you take starting measurements? Have you checked for a tongue tie?
Do you work out (ie. lift weights, walk frequently)? If not, I would start immediately. It'll help you get more in touch with your own body, feel out imbalances, make adjustments, etc.
I feel your frustration. Remember, asking the universe (or God or whatever you believe in) to change your bone structure is an immense request. You'll need to work like no one else will to achieve it.
Yes I'm one of the best athletes in my state for my age group. Becoming physically quick and strong feels 100x easier then to fix my down-swung maxilla. I do agree it will take lots of work and im willing to spend hours of focus everyday if I have to. It just gets un-motivating after 3 years of 0 mm progress
Did you take starting measurements? Have you checked for a tongue tie?
This - also, your bite/teeth symmetry doesn’t seem ideal. This might have something to do with your difficulty
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