You know the part of the tongue that's in your throat right? well, do we have to pull that part up? Because thats what I do. I notice that I can't breathe when I do it though. Am I doing it right?
When you pull extend your tongue up and forwards you're bringing the rest of the tongue with it. So yes, you're doing it right. And finally yes, good job.
When you say you can't breathe, do you mean through your mouth or your nose?
If I attach posterior third of tongue to hard palate, I cannot breathe either... thru mouth or nose. This is most apparent when I do a proper swallow and then freeze the tongue in place mid-swallow.
When you say you can't breathe, do you mean through your mouth or your nose?
Through my nose or mouth
If I attach posterior third of tongue to hard palate, I cannot breathe either... thru mouth or nose. This is most apparent when I do a proper swallow and then freeze the tongue in place mid-swallow.
so how do you mew then?
so how do you mew then?
I try to get as much of the back of the tongue up as I can, dunno how much is getting up there, nor whether I am doing it right. I have such a high frigging palate, plus mild tongue tie, so not sure how much this is limiting me.
Body posture can play a really important role in breathing and airway. Obviously, you need to breathe first and foremost. But it might turn out that over time if you improve your body posture, forward head posture, and keep practicing proper tongue posture as best you can, that it will get easier to breathe over time.
I didn't experience difficulty breathing when I first started, but I remember reading here that there are people on the forum for whom it got better. I hope someone can chime in with their experience.
But working on my forward head posture, I'm able to breathe more deeply, and sing better.
@apollo you said that the soft palate presses into the airway, and the video you linked of Mr Mew said that it was normal to have some discomfort and that people with horizontal growth only have a small amount of the palate pressing against the airway. Does this mean that with constant practise of correct oral posture, you will train your palate to only have a small amount of it pressing against the airway? Or will the constant practise of correct oral posture push the maxilla up and forward, and thus allow you to breathe easier?I'm so confused about how correct oral posture! When you have correct oral posture, can you not breathe through your nose because 1. tongue tie? 2. you need to push your maxilla up? 3. it's normal?so many contradicting statements!Hi Jeffery, here's my post you mentioned from another thread:
Posted by: Apollo
Yes, the very reason people don't tend to practice proper oral posture is because it impinges their airway, and this perpetuates the downward spiral of the maxilla dropping further down and back, further restricting the airway. Anyone without adequate tongue space will find that the posterior third, when correctly seated on the roof of the mouth, will press the soft palate into the pharynx, restricting breathing through the nose. This can even be a sign that you have achieved correct oral posture. Then you have to practice the control to back off just enough to breath, while still keeping the posterior tongue engaged.It sounds like you understood what I was trying to explain. I suspect what you describe as difficulty breathing when practicing correct oral posture is what all of us experience with any level of craniofacial dystrophy. With a recessed maxialla and/or narrow palate restricting tongue space, lifting the posterior tongue against the soft palate completely or partially obstructs the pharynx. If you really had a tongue tie, surgically removing part of the lingual frenulum would make it easier for you to lift your tongue to the roof of your mouth, but it wouldn't prevent the posterior tongue from blocking your airway. The only way to fix this, as you suggest, is to create more tongue space, but unfortunately, this requires keeping your posterior tongue in the position that is blocking your airway. We can't stop breathing, so what to do? I find that lifting my tongue up to the point that it closes off my pharynx is a good indicator helping me to know that I am correctly engaging the posterior part of my tongue which seems to be crucial to achieving change. Then, I can practice reducing the pressure of my tongue just enough to inhale and exhale while hearing and feeling the resistance of the air passing through the narrowed space. Finally I try to back off the tongue enough to breathe relatively freely, while still trying to feel that posterior tongue contacting the soft palate. It's a delicate balance, that I probably am not maintaining correctly most of the time, but the idea is that it gets easier as you become more accustomed to the posture and hopefully as your maxilla slowly moves up and forward, creating more tongue space in the processes, and in a virtuous cycle making it easier to be more consistent with correct oral posture. If you have a narrow maxillary arch, palate expanders can create lateral space to fit your tongue on your palate with less restriction on your airway. Does that all make sense?
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How long have you been mewing? Have you noticed any changes?
Is it normal for your tongue to hurt or feel sore?
@apollo you said that the soft palate presses into the airway, and the video you linked of Mr Mew said that it was normal to have some discomfort and that people with horizontal growth only have a small amount of the palate pressing against the airway. Does this mean that with constant practise of correct oral posture, you will train your palate to only have a small amount of it pressing against the airway? Or will the constant practise of correct oral posture push the maxilla up and forward, and thus allow you to breathe easier?I'm so confused about how correct oral posture! When you have correct oral posture, can you not breathe through your nose because 1. tongue tie? 2. you need to push your maxilla up? 3. it's normal?so many contradicting statements!Hi Jeffery, here's my post you mentioned from another thread:
Posted by: Apollo
Yes, the very reason people don't tend to practice proper oral posture is because it impinges their airway, and this perpetuates the downward spiral of the maxilla dropping further down and back, further restricting the airway. Anyone without adequate tongue space will find that the posterior third, when correctly seated on the roof of the mouth, will press the soft palate into the pharynx, restricting breathing through the nose. This can even be a sign that you have achieved correct oral posture. Then you have to practice the control to back off just enough to breath, while still keeping the posterior tongue engaged.It sounds like you understood what I was trying to explain. I suspect what you describe as difficulty breathing when practicing correct oral posture is what all of us experience with any level of craniofacial dystrophy. With a recessed maxialla and/or narrow palate restricting tongue space, lifting the posterior tongue against the soft palate completely or partially obstructs the pharynx. If you really had a tongue tie, surgically removing part of the lingual frenulum would make it easier for you to lift your tongue to the roof of your mouth, but it wouldn't prevent the posterior tongue from blocking your airway. The only way to fix this, as you suggest, is to create more tongue space, but unfortunately, this requires keeping your posterior tongue in the position that is blocking your airway. We can't stop breathing, so what to do? I find that lifting my tongue up to the point that it closes off my pharynx is a good indicator helping me to know that I am correctly engaging the posterior part of my tongue which seems to be crucial to achieving change. Then, I can practice reducing the pressure of my tongue just enough to inhale and exhale while hearing and feeling the resistance of the air passing through the narrowed space. Finally I try to back off the tongue enough to breathe relatively freely, while still trying to feel that posterior tongue contacting the soft palate. It's a delicate balance, that I probably am not maintaining correctly most of the time, but the idea is that it gets easier as you become more accustomed to the posture and hopefully as your maxilla slowly moves up and forward, creating more tongue space in the processes, and in a virtuous cycle making it easier to be more consistent with correct oral posture. If you have a narrow maxillary arch, palate expanders can create lateral space to fit your tongue on your palate with less restriction on your airway. Does that all make sense?
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"If you do not have enough forward growth, you will have to consciously focus on the tongue applying pressure all along the Mid-Palate Ridge, and especially towards the Front Ridges and Tip. This will develop your maxilla forwards and upwards over time, through both repositioning of the maxilla as well as growth at the sutures within the craniofacial complex. If you lack transverse (side to side) growth, you will need to fold your tongue to keep it resting along the Alveolar Ridge and Mid-Palate Ridge which will result in growth in the width of your maxilla as well as forward movement. "
Is this correct as well? I saw on another post that doing this and not focusing on the posterior third will result in no growth as well here:
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