I haven't seen significant change in my torus palatinus. Do you think anything besides your improved tongue posture contributed to your results?

I couldn't imagine what else it could be. Maybe taking K2 MK4? But I don't know why that would happen, exactly.

What's your torus like and do you think it has impacted your ability to expand the palate laterally? Do you get tilted molars?

I guess K2 could play a role, but logically, since it increases bone mineralization, it seems like it would oppose reduction in the torus. I believe a torus increases the surface area for interdigitation of the suture, making disarticulation more difficult, but it shouldn't inhibit dentoalveolar remodeling. My torus looks a little smaller than the one in your picture, with a lobe on either side of the suture. The right half is slightly larger and lower than the left half. I haven't experienced tipping of my molars.

Just to clarify, those are not your pictures, right?

The last one is

Hi @krollic, did the bulge under your jaw disappear ? And @Abdulrahman for those like me who have a weak jaw, is that bulge the sign that I'm correctly mewing, with the back of my tongue touching at its best my palate ?

How can you be sure you never clenched your teeth?

If I feel along my own palatine suture, I can feel that the torus seems to have pushed it to one side, and if I dig my fingernail in, I can still feel a somewhat patent suture.

Check out this paper (free access): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47631835_On_the_Etiology_and_Significance_of_Palatal_and_Mandibular_Tori

@krollic did you press on the torus palatinus with your tongue or just pressed with the back of your tongue and had the rest of your tongue on the roof of your mouth without pressing on it just resting? Cuz when i press on my torus palatinus with the my tongue it creates a bulge under my chin but when I just have my tongue resting on it there is no bulge under my chin 

I definitely have this problem. My palate isn't flat, instead there's a part in the middle that juts outward, like my palate over-fused. Would appliances work for this? Really sucks that Orthotropists are so few my country doesn't even have any.

Posted by: @krollic

This is a Torus Palatinus

"It is a bony protrusion on the palate. Palatal tori are usually present on the midline of the hard palate. Most palatal tori are less than 2 cm in diameter, but their size can change throughout life."

Before I started practicing mewing a year ago I always had good closed lip posture, teeth close together (but not almost touching, like I have now), full time nasal breathing and no tongue support on the palate. This explains why I had straight front teeth but a narrow palate and recessed maxilla. I didn't recognize at the time prior to mewing, that I had a bump on my palate, what it was or that it wasn't good to have one.

In recent months I've noticed that my palate ceiling has almost entirely flattened out.

I can't show you a comparison picture to prove that I had one before but I can assure you that it looked something similar to the first image I posted.

Firstly, what causes it? We hear about from professionals and the web that the torus bump usually occurs in people who clench their teeth all the time. Perhaps clenching exacerbates the torus growth but I have never clenched for 99.9% of my life and I still had a noticeable one. This makes me think that the torus is more likely caused by a lack of tongue support on the palate (i.e gravity or a compressed palate). Nothing is pressing against the palate to flatten it out.

Secondly, why is it bad? Obviously there is some correlation with it occurring and bad oral posture. To me it is a symptom with its own problems: It makes the palate more bumpy and less smooth which lowers mouth space, tongue space and makes tongue suction to the palate harder to achieve. But I think the MAJOR problem with a torus though is that it sits right on top of and across the palatine suture. I suspect that it effectively aids in fusing the suture closed, making palatal expansion harder. If you look at my image, you can clearly see how my inner teeth are tipping. My teeth are moving but my IMW growth has been VERY slow. I've only achieved a few mm of lateral palate expansion but am getting good results with forwards and upwards expansion. This really makes me think that this little bump is hindering my progress.

Thirdly, what's happening to it now? This is the key question. Is my torus being resorbed aka disappearing or am I simply pushing everything upwards and flattering out the ceiling giving the illusion that it is disappearing?

Finally, if my torus bump is disappearing does that mean that my palatine suture is going to open up and my IMW movement is going to start being a lot less restricted and thus accelerate? I'm praying to god that this is true and that I'm about to get past a bottleneck in the coming couple of weeks/months which will allow me to get substantially faster results.

keen to see what you guys think. I'm pretty optimistic about it but hoping I'm not being naive.

cheers

Hi krollic! Could you give us some updates whether you think there's any link between the torus palatinus disappearing and the palatine suture opening up? I realised I have a torus palatinus yesterday. And that is it right on top of my palatine suture. I also have a narrow palate that seems reluctant to open up and wondering what will happen over time. Thanks! 

My personal belief agrees that maxillary tori happen is because of bruxism, be it nighttime or daytime or any other sutural strain.  The massive forces act on the midpalatal suture, and the two halves of the maxilla rub against each other, eventually leading to abnormal bone deposition (think like tectonic plates colliding and creating mountain ranges.