This is intriguing. I like the idea of the tongue pressing in the same direction as gravity rather than against it. To take it a step further, you could use an inversion table, yoga silk, or inversion boots to combine mewing with inversion while keeping your body posture aligned.

While sleeping the tongue isn't pressing against the direction of gravity but is actually perpendicular. Perhaps mewing while sleeping is not only important because of the 24/7 upward force of the tongue, but also because you could get more upward remodelling of the maxilla since there's no force counter acting the tongue.

Posted by: sinned

While sleeping the tongue isn't pressing against the direction of gravity but is actually perpendicular. Perhaps mewing while sleeping is not only important because of the 24/7 upward force of the tongue, but also because you could get more upward remodelling of the maxilla since there's no force counter acting the tongue.

I saw your diagram in the other thread. Maybe the gravitational force is relevant, but I guess it goes from resisting the tongue's upward force while standing to resisting the tongue's forward force when sleeping on your back. Either way, inversion (which you would only perform for short sessions) aligns the gravitational vector with part of the Mewing vector. Of course, the weight on the maxilla might be negligible in comparison to the force of the tongue, but I want to experiment and see how it feels.

Please let us know how it goes with the experiment. I do different things like a downward dog position I think it's called, also I will bend over and do a head banging sort of movement, but with my torso not just neck, and it seems to add additional force on the downswing. A yoga swing could be ideal for sure or other inversion therapy type device that allows for some freedom of movement. Also not sure if it was this because I started taking a probiotic food at the same time (I try to introduce one dietary change or general practice at a time to be sure of the effects and the source thereof) but my hair loss has improved noticeably, something inversion therapy is said to help with.

As well I'm doing some complimentary practices and experiments to go along with this and general mewing, will post about it when I think I have it more down pat.

What is the significance of the McKenzie tuck? Been seeing that pop up a lot here.

It's just a chin tuck named after a physiotherapist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xSlX7n-IHw  

Here's the video that explains it.

Having some thoughts on this method that I wanted to share. It was suggested to me that this inversion mewing may not create additional force via the tongue than you'd otherwise generate while mewing upright. It's entirely possible and my only gauge for assessing the force is what I feel: I believe I feel additional force from inversion mewing. How can this be quantified, though?

But I thought about it some more and what if it doesn't matter if additional force via the tongue is being applied? Sure it would be nice, but it seems like I've received at least some posture and fitness benefits simply maintaining this inversion yoga pose for 15 mins a day. As well, it can be a challenge to maintain Mewing while exercising, but not so much with yoga or something like it (in my experience) where you have some freedom to concentrate. So incorporating this sort of exercise in to your routine can help you maintain your goal of 24/7 mewing with as few exceptions as possible. I've introduced pillow-free sleeping to my routine, but I saw posture benefits before starting that practice, so I can deduce improvement in posture from this exercise as I try to add one practice at a time to ensure what effects are due to the new practice.

Would be nice to figure out how to measure the forces being applied with the tongue while inversion mewing, though. Any thoughts here appreciated.

Here's a guide to show you some inversion-type yoga poses:  http://workouttrends.com/yoga-poses/inverted-position
I really want to get a yoga silk and do these, I'd be in heaven :-)
Not sure if the link above presents a complete list. Something I've noticed is how some of these poses have potential for giving you a nice and deep Mackenzie-chin tuck type stretch which I've found to be quite good for helping forward head posture.

Here's something more beginner, I like the bridge pose especially and then getting on my tip-toes:

Btw some of these poses, to me, are kind of advanced and some are not possible with my current physical fitness level, but I do remember doing them as a kid and it's something I'm going to try to work towards. With exercise programs maybe consult your doctor before starting: don't want to hurt yourself doing something too difficult.

Something I've noticed is that for the first time since I started mewing: a 1mm diastema appeared in the past few months. Not 100% sure if it can be attributed to this practice, but it's nice to see.

Hi everyone, I saw this video by Elliot Hulse today and oddly enough he does the moves I've been doing for the past few months to help with my mewing and posture. I've experienced increased fitness level at the same time. I try to do this every day, and mew at the same time.

Here at the 8 minute mark he's swinging himself downward. When I do this, I feel some extra force in my upper 3rd. I hope it helps with my mewing efforts, but I really don't know how to measure the force applied here.

Anyway, my thoughts are that inversion, and moves like bending over backwards, the bridge pose as pictured above are helpful for posture and seem to increase mewing force. I've also heard that daily inversion is a "model's secret", helps fight the effects of gravity.

No idea why he's got his mouth hanging open the whole time though, I wonder why's he doing that?

I want to work up to doing the headstand move at the end, not sure if I have the fitness level for that yet.

I don't know that Eliot Hulse is aware of tongue posturing. At any rate these exercises seem good for overall posture in general, but trying to figure why someone has certain habits like mouth hanging open should ideally have no bearing on our practices. I am sure he wasn't even thinking about what he was doing .

I mew while weight lifting. It helps me breathe more efficiently. When I push the weights heavy, I notice I also force my tongue heavier against the palate.

I am also interested in this inversion stuff to see if it has the ability to get me closer to 6 feet tall.  

Posted by: EddieMoney

I don't know that Eliot Hulse is aware of tongue posturing. At any rate these exercises seem good for overall posture in general, but trying to figure why someone has certain habits like mouth hanging open should ideally have no bearing on our practices. I am sure he wasn't even thinking about what he was doing .

I mew while weight lifting. It helps me breathe more efficiently. When I push the weights heavy, I notice I also force my tongue heavier against the palate.

I am also interested in this inversion stuff to see if it has the ability to get me closer to 6 feet tall.  

Have you ever noticed how serious weght lifters have nice jaws? Maybe correct body posture does correlate to a better looking face. Perhaps?

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Posted by: EddieMoney

I don't know that Eliot Hulse is aware of tongue posturing. At any rate these exercises seem good for overall posture in general, but trying to figure why someone has certain habits like mouth hanging open should ideally have no bearing on our practices. I am sure he wasn't even thinking about what he was doing .

I mew while weight lifting. It helps me breathe more efficiently. When I push the weights heavy, I notice I also force my tongue heavier against the palate.

I am also interested in this inversion stuff to see if it has the ability to get me closer to 6 feet tall.  

Have you ever noticed how serious weght lifters have nice jaws? Maybe correct body posture does correlate to a better looking face. Perhaps?

Eh you have to be careful with stuff like that. I hear steroids or other compounds they take (illegally) have an effect on bone development. So honestly I can't advise on that.

I work at in the health and fitness industry myself. What I notice is that not necessarily weightlifters but athletes in general have great bone development . Don't know which came first however. Whether they were first athletes and it caused then to develop optimally or if their optimal development drew them to sports. What I understand is growing up and eating enough (high calories) combined  with physical activity leads to osteoblasts. Contrast this with me who had little of either and I have cfd

In very cold climates, the Tibetan caravaneers sleep on their shins, and it looks like their forehead is resting on their forearms.  This is probably the best sleeping posture for nighttime mewing. Not only will gravity pull the tongue up onto the palate, but gravity automatically closes the jaw and one can combine this with McKenzie chin tuck. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119282/

Posted by: Couda

In very cold climates, the Tibetan caravaneers sleep on their shins, and it looks like their forehead is resting on their forearms.  This is probably the best sleeping posture for nighttime mewing. Not only will gravity pull the tongue up onto the palate, but gravity automatically closes the jaw and one can combine this with McKenzie chin tuck. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119282/

 

Wonder what that position would do to the lumbar?

Posted by: EddieMoney

Posted by: Couda

In very cold climates, the Tibetan caravaneers sleep on their shins, and it looks like their forehead is resting on their forearms.  This is probably the best sleeping posture for nighttime mewing. Not only will gravity pull the tongue up onto the palate, but gravity automatically closes the jaw and one can combine this with McKenzie chin tuck. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119282/

 

Wonder what that position would do to the lumbar?

It feels like the spine aligns in a curved position when the butt touches the heels. Sleeping like this will stretch the upper back muscles and make one more forward slouching over time. I dont think the lumbar should be bent in such a way. 

I found that holding the thigh bones 80 degress to the floor, allows the spine to be more straight, ideal and probably doesnt strangle the arteries in the knees as much. Im not sure if its possible to hold that position during sleep though.

I recently had an opportunity to practice oral posture while inverted in a yoga swing. I found that it was harder to keep my head in a chin-tuck position (working against gravity). However, if I concentrated on having good head posture, then almost automatically my tongue created exceptional pressure against my palate (working with gravity). I also tried walking my hands backward so that my body was no longer vertical and I was partly facing the floor. In this position gravity was assisting both my head and tongue posture. I'm not sure if this is something worth incorporating into my routine regularly but it was interesting to experiment with.

I started trying today mewing head down, I have to say that I have heard many popping in my face never heard before! I'll keep you posted! 

Posted by: Apollo

This is intriguing. I like the idea of the tongue pressing in the same direction as gravity rather than against it. To take it a step further, you could use an inversion table, yoga silk, or inversion boots to combine mewing with inversion while keeping your body posture aligned.

 

I want to try one. I imagine it will be good to relieve pressure off my spine. Could somebody share which inversion therapy equipment you use?

Any bit of advice would be appreciated, thank you!

Over the past 6 months or so I've been doing Wim Hof breathing (which is seemingly what Elliot Hulse was doing in the video I linked previously) while doing inversion yoga, and it does seem to increase the effects of inversion mewing.

Since my thoughts about upward force in regards to cranial growth have changed since 3 years ago, I am of the belief that upside down mewing may sound good, but since upward force toward the palate doesn't actually *do* anything, and the fact we can't physically shorten our skulls vertically means I am less likely to believe in it. 

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Since my thoughts about upward force in regards to cranial growth have changed since 3 years ago, I am of the belief that upside down mewing may sound good, but since upward force toward the palate doesn't actually *do* anything, and the fact we can't physically shorten our skulls vertically means I am less likely to believe in it. 

You can widen the skull and move bones to make it appear shorter

so you think the mew vector is incorrect? 

There are several different poses using different force directions, also consider the benefits of increased vasodilation (especially combined with breathwork)