This is a little off topic but I thought it would be something interesting to bring up. In today's society we have clearly seen the detrimental effects of incorrect tongue posture and lack of proper chewing technique in more individuals than ever before. As we all know, there is a solution for these individuals, however this solution is not mainstream. Because most people are often ignorant to how their faces are growing, for better or for worse, society is developing edible products that do not take into account the importance of proper techniques. Products like Soylent, that I believe come in a drinkable form, claim to be able to replace meals entirely. What society is forgetting is that important aspect of chewing and how it plays a significant role in facial development. This is a very big issue as larger publicists, such as The New Yorker brand Soylent as "the end of food". If society were to fully accept this new type of food as normal, it is possible that future youth will grow up not even requiring to chew anything to satisfy their dietary needs. It is disturbing to think about how an individual would look living off these types of foods and I think that this will be a very real, observable issue within the next couple of decades.
We have seen a similar trend recently with the majority of our foods being processed and mushy. Therefore, it becomes more vital than ever to spread the word about proper oral techniques and posture than ever before. If drinkable foods become accepted by the general public before the ideologies presented here do, humans may never look the same again.
I was just thinking about this the other day!
I think at this stage people should be educated about the subject of oral posture and function while avoiding discussing the hard this product causes. People can arrive to this conclusion on their own. Once the orthotropic science is accepted and becomes mainstream I think those products could be exposed.
That being said I still think they are useful in some situations and people should have access to them, just not children.
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I was just thinking about this the other day!
I think at this stage people should be educated about the subject of oral posture and function while avoiding discussing the hard this product causes. People can arrive to this conclusion on their own. Once the orthotropic science is accepted and becomes mainstream I think those products could be exposed.
That being said I still think they are useful in some situations and people should have access to them, just not children.
Glad to know I'm not alone in this thought. I personally believe that the distribution of such products should be restricted and perhaps even only available to those who have certain conditions that disallow them to consume normal food. I think it's important that people see the problem with these products before they become a victim of them and have to re-train themselves in the same manner that many members of this community had to. The principles presented here are likely known to many orthodontists globally, but they simply withhold the information as an orthodontist likely generates most of their income through installing braces in an individual. As Mike Mew would put it, they are "treating the symptoms, not the causes". My biggest fear just lies in the possibility that by the time this information is exposed, it will be too late. I am sure that the majority of people that saw Mike Mew's videos did not even bother trying the techniques because of how unorthodox they are to society's standard beliefs or because our society is too used to instant gratification (which will only become more of a problem thanks to these foods). If the information does not get out now, the problem will only continue to worsen, and our society will be raising more and more malformed individuals as time goes on.
To the contrary, the theoretical science behind orthotropics is widely accepted and promoted. Breast feeding and proper food chewing are becoming popular topics. It just takes time for the medical establishment to pick up pace.
There is no conspiracy to withhold this information but going too far in promoting and attacking alternatives before it becomes proven science will attract skepticism and doubting by those who stand to lose.
Just look at the current mess Dr. Mew is in because he chose to go on the attack before he build up a strong enough case. The same can happen with this product when you attack it, they can bring up tons of counter points to counter it.
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To the contrary, the theoretical science behind orthotropics is widely accepted and promoted. Breast feeding and proper food chewing are becoming popular topics. It just takes time for the medical establishment to pick up pace.
There is no conspiracy to withhold this information but going too far in promoting and attacking alternatives before it becomes proven science will attract skepticism and doubting by those who stand to lose.
Just look at the current mess Dr. Mew is in because he chose to go on the attack before he build up a strong enough case. The same can happen with this product when you attack it, they can bring up tons of counter points to counter it.
Definitely an important counter-point and I don't mean to imply that there is some conspiracy, but I do believe that many orthodontists do know about the importance of mouth posture but just simply choose not to disclose it to their patients for the sake of a profit. You are absolutely right in saying that it is important not to rush ideas, but I feel that with all the information here and all the pictures users have posted, we could make a fairly compelling case - I feel that if someone were to take the time to present this information in a way that's friendly to those who know little about orthodontics, the ideology would gain much more traction. The only reason that it's not mainstream yet in my eyes is because Mike Mew's videos, though detailed and very informational, use a lot of language that is unfamiliar to the general public.
Definitely an important counter-point and I don't mean to imply that there is some conspiracy, but I do believe that many orthodontists do know about the importance of mouth posture but just simply choose not to disclose it to their patients for the sake of a profit. You are absolutely right in saying that it is important not to rush ideas, but I feel that with all the information here and all the pictures users have posted, we could make a fairly compelling case - I feel that if someone were to take the time to present this information in a way that's friendly to those who know little about orthodontics, the ideology would gain much more traction. The only reason that it's not mainstream yet in my eyes is because Mike Mew's videos, though detailed and very informational, use a lot of language that is unfamiliar to the general public.
If you speak with enough orthodontists you will know that they are not withholding information as much as avoiding what they believe will not work.
Most people are just not able to adopt a major change in their oral posture and function, in fact they are not even interested. That's why allot orthodontists don't bring this topic up because they know from experience that it won't bring any results.
I understand their reasoning but don't agree with their conclusion, because orthodontists are supposed, as doctors, to at the very least bring up alternative treatments to their patients.
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Hard foods in and of themselves don't lead to proper posture though. Posture itself is what determines total body development, not chewing on hard foods . This posture is developed orally through breastfeeding which in and of itself involves a liquid diet.
Hard foods in and of themselves don't lead to proper posture though. Posture itself is what determines total body development, not chewing on hard foods . This posture is developed orally through breastfeeding which in and of itself involves a liquid diet.
This is what I would argue too. There are spiritually motivated ascetics, especially in the eastern world, who eat very little, and even that which they do eat is something soft like vegetable soup or cooked rice. In general these people have less issues with CFD/malocclusion than people in highly civilized societies. In terms of achieving proper anatomical function/structure, drinking your calories can't be a significant issue for someone who is practicing proper posture. In terms of increasing bone mass of jaw, hard chewing may have some utility. But even that benefit would be contextual, not universal, as is seen in people who suffer from bruxism.
Hard foods in and of themselves don't lead to proper posture though. Posture itself is what determines total body development, not chewing on hard foods . This posture is developed orally through breastfeeding which in and of itself involves a liquid diet.
This is what I would argue too. There are spiritually motivated ascetics, especially in the eastern world, who eat very little, and even that which they do eat is something soft like vegetable soup or cooked rice. In general these people have less issues with CFD/malocclusion than people in highly civilized societies. In terms of achieving proper anatomical function/structure, drinking your calories can't be a significant issue for someone who is practicing proper posture. In terms of increasing bone mass of jaw, hard chewing may have some utility. But even that benefit would be contextual, not universal, as is seen in people who suffer from bruxism.
Correct tongue posture is not developed by hard food chewing per say but it does have a role. Hard food chewing is what leads infants to learn how to swallow properly, as it requires a strong and large muscles like the tongue to push the food down. Soft food on the other hand is easy to suck and leads infants to develop the habit to suck instead of swallow.
When that happens the tongue loses strength and becomes less able to posture fully on the palate. That is why Dr. Mew puts allot of emphasis on breast feeding and hard food chewing in addition to keeping air fresh for the infant not to develop allergies and congested nose.
Hard food chewing has another benefit, it helps the muscles and as a consequence the bones develop stronger and bigger to accommodate the teeth. One can have a decent upper arch but a crowded lower arch and soft food chewing from an early age can very well be the cause.
In regard to the part in bold, I am curious to know if those people are raised from infant-hood like that or they start the process after reaching a cretin age?
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Honestly, as machiavellian and messed up this might sound, everyone knows that exercise is good for you, but 90% of people still don't do it.
If mewing was mainstream knowledge, you'd still have people who didn't do it. The way I look at it, since looks have such an affect in one's life such as in one's career, etc, i only tell people very close to me who I care about about oral posture.
Otherwise, I just see this knowledge as a slight edge over the majority who's ignorant to it. At the end of the day, if people really cared and wanted to improve, it's not like the information isn't available freely online with a little research.
Hard foods in and of themselves don't lead to proper posture though. Posture itself is what determines total body development, not chewing on hard foods . This posture is developed orally through breastfeeding which in and of itself involves a liquid diet.
This is what I would argue too. There are spiritually motivated ascetics, especially in the eastern world, who eat very little, and even that which they do eat is something soft like vegetable soup or cooked rice. In general these people have less issues with CFD/malocclusion than people in highly civilized societies. In terms of achieving proper anatomical function/structure, drinking your calories can't be a significant issue for someone who is practicing proper posture. In terms of increasing bone mass of jaw, hard chewing may have some utility. But even that benefit would be contextual, not universal, as is seen in people who suffer from bruxism.
Correct tongue posture is not developed by hard food chewing per say but it does have a role. Hard food chewing is what leads infants to learn how to swallow properly, as it requires a strong and large muscles like the tongue to push the food down. Soft food on the other hand is easy to suck and leads infants to develop the habit to suck instead of swallow.
When that happens the tongue loses strength and becomes less able to posture fully on the palate. That is why Dr. Mew puts allot of emphasis on breast feeding and hard food chewing in addition to keeping air fresh for the infant not to develop allergies and congested nose.
Hard food chewing has another benefit, it helps the muscles and as a consequence the bones develop stronger and bigger to accommodate the teeth. One can have a decent upper arch but a crowded lower arch and soft food chewing from an early age can very well be the cause.
In regard to the part in bold, I am curious to know if those people are raised from infant-hood like that or they start the process after reaching a cretin age?
The way I understand it, both correct tongue posture and correct swallowing are ideally already internalized by the time the infant moves from breastfeeding to eating solid foods. Of course though, "ideal" is rarely equal to "reality", so in this way chewing certainly can have strong supporting role in guiding early growth. Considering how malleable the bones of young child are, chewing hard food is probably not as important as just chewing something.
"One can have a decent upper arch but a crowded lower arch and soft food chewing from an early age can very well be the cause."
Can one, though? Teeth can be moved with just a couple of grams of sustained pressure. Thus it seems that keeping the teeth in light contact would be enough to ensure that a developed upper arch would also lead to developed lower arch. In the end, even with a soft food diet, the teeth would end up making plenty of contact during the day from correct swallowing & head posturing.
Actually now that I think of it, decent upper arch can indeed occur together with crowded dental arch when the maxilla is swung downward, leaving the mandibular plane less horizontal and thus more crammed. But then again, maxillary downswing is always a fault in tongue posture, not inadequate chewing. When the maxilla is forward grown and the bite more horizontal, one can get away with narrower dental arches before ending up with crowded teeth, than one would with a downswung maxilla and bite.
For clarification, none of this is to say that chewing is to be avoided. I'm just interested in its significancy, since to me it seems overhyped. There also seems to be lots of variation in how much benefit people see from chewing. I wonder what factors go into this. I for example have deep bite and have not found much use for hard chewing.
"In regard to the part in bold, I am curious to know if those people are raised from infant-hood like that or they start the process after reaching a cretin age? "
Valid question, I doubt a factual answer can be given.
@yegor_l I would argue that exercising is harder than simply putting your tongue on the roof of your mouth, especially if kids are taught this at a young age
@yegor_l I would argue that exercising is harder than simply putting your tongue on the roof of your mouth, especially if kids are taught this at a young age
Though some people can get in to such a state of oral dysfunction that putting their tongue on the roof of their mouth is no simple matter, even an impossibility, but exercise is possible and remains an enjoyable activity. I suspect mouthbreathers can be in this boat. I'm seeing the next generation, in my area at least, a lot of kids that enjoy running around, but are clearly moutbreathers with all the accompanying physical signs of such.
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Hard foods in and of themselves don't lead to proper posture though. Posture itself is what determines total body development, not chewing on hard foods . This posture is developed orally through breastfeeding which in and of itself involves a liquid diet.
Hard foods don't necessarily lead to proper posture, but Mike Mew iterates a point in many of his videos that it is equally important to both hold the correct oral posture as well as chew on hard foods/gum. He claims that both of these things need to be done in order for any positive results to become apparent. The point I was trying to make is that if a child, for example, was ignorantly raised to consume these types of "liquid foods" so to speak, it would, in my opinion, be absolutely detrimental to the oral health of that individual overall and therefore, these "foods" should not exist to begin with.
If you are a guy... avoid soy like the plague , soy-lent included. It puts xeno-estrogens into your body. The fact that its liquid makes it even worse. How should I explain this? It will make you grow man-tits on top of your face becoming elongated chinless mess . Its a one way road to inceldom.
If you are a guy... avoid soy like the plague , soy-lent included. It puts xeno-estrogens into your body. The fact that its liquid makes it even worse. How should I explain this? It will make you grow man-tits on top of your face becoming elongated chinless mess . Its a one way road to inceldom.
I haven't seen anyone develop cfd from eating specific foods. It is a postural issue first and foremost. Foods in and of themselves won't change your facial structure if your bodily posture is correct.
If you are a guy... avoid soy like the plague , soy-lent included. It puts xeno-estrogens into your body. The fact that its liquid makes it even worse. How should I explain this? It will make you grow man-tits on top of your face becoming elongated chinless mess . Its a one way road to inceldom.
I haven't seen anyone develop cfd from eating specific foods. It is a postural issue first and foremost. Foods in and of themselves won't change your facial structure if your bodily posture is correct.
Soylent is a complete replacement for food, you are supposed to replace any and all food you eat with it. Fanatics who drink it tend to not eat anything else, no solid food. Soylent contains phytoestrogens, plant compounds that have estrogen-like structures. Drinking it day and night with no other food has catastrophic effects on male hormonal balance. XD on top of this ppl stop chewing wtf. How is that not bad. Soft food is bad, drinking only soylent is a disaster lol, you have to remember most ppl do not mew, now they stop chewing altogether and stuff themselves full of xenoestrogens lel.
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