Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
If you just stop chewing the muscle size will reduce. Have you measured your vertical height before/after?
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
I said something similar recently. For hollow cheeks, you first and foremost need pronounced cheekbones and chewing doesn't give that. Mewing does, over time though. Chewing just blows up your masseters just like bruxism does with far less tooth wear.
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
Bruxism leads to a squarer jaw. I assume chewing gum would have a simile effect, but lord knows how much you’d have to do, and for how long.
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
I said something similar recently. For hollow cheeks, you first and foremost need pronounced cheekbones and chewing doesn't give that. Mewing does, over time though. Chewing just blows up your masseters just like bruxism does with far less tooth wear.
You're absolutely right. If I had been mewing instead of chewing gum I would look 10 times better right now. Unfortunately back then I hadn't clocked on to mewing at al.
@auxiliarus Not something I considered doing and I am currently no longer chewing gum in order to do this. I'd imagine it will take a while though and its stopping me from hard mewing which is quite irritating
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
I said something similar recently. For hollow cheeks, you first and foremost need pronounced cheekbones and chewing doesn't give that. Mewing does, over time though. Chewing just blows up your masseters just like bruxism does with far less tooth wear.
You're absolutely right. If I had been mewing instead of chewing gum I would look 10 times better right now. Unfortunately back then I hadn't clocked on to mewing at al.
Even now you are not too late, you still can improve your cheekbones, just don't chew (gum) more than 10 mins per day. Also, look at this guy who went overboard with chewing:
The after pic is horizontally inverted but still, it's obvious how chewing so much (for a year) did nothing for his orbital support and cheekbone projection. His masseters developed nicely, though which further shows the effects of chewing.
There's a fellow in this forum who advocates chewing for cheekbone improvement, I suggest you to not take his advice as it's counter-productive for what you are after.
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
I said something similar recently. For hollow cheeks, you first and foremost need pronounced cheekbones and chewing doesn't give that. Mewing does, over time though. Chewing just blows up your masseters just like bruxism does with far less tooth wear.
You're absolutely right. If I had been mewing instead of chewing gum I would look 10 times better right now. Unfortunately back then I hadn't clocked on to mewing at al.
Even now you are not too late, you still can improve your cheekbones, just don't chew (gum) more than 10 mins per day. Also, look at this guy who went overboard with chewing:
The after pic is horizontally inverted but still, it's obvious how chewing so much (for a year) did nothing for his orbital support and cheekbone projection. His masseters developed nicely, though which further shows the effects of chewing.
There's a fellow in this forum who advocates chewing for cheekbone improvement, I suggest you to not take his advice as it's counter-productive for what you are after.
Good luck.
Cheekbone projection is mostly dictated by fat mass on face, his zygo width looks wider than average, there's no before or after but I'd guess his zygos grew on the side, it doesn't necessarily add much aesthetic though, but it can slightly increase fWHR.
@auxiliarus Not something I considered doing and I am currently no longer chewing gum in order to do this. I'd imagine it will take a while though and its stopping me from hard mewing which is quite irritating
It matters how you chew, if you've mainly focused on masseters on the side then theory says you should see clockwise maxilla rotation and a shorter face, not always desirable. Chewing with temporalis muscles in theory makes head longer and actual zygos on the very side wider and bigger, it also makes maxilla smaller. As for chewing with pterygoids can in theory lead to counter-clockwise rotation and ramus growth. It's all theory though based on some studies showing correlations, no one knows what the causation is and whether it can change much in adults.
Pterygoid/masseter is supposed to lead to a short-face though, which again is not desirable. Maybe chewing is good for people with very long faces.
I tried chewing with masseters a lot and had same issue as you did, I now try to chew with different muscles and there's no more pain and zygos have become much wider. I'll make a before after soon, but it'll take some time, I've gained a ton of weight right now which I need to lose first(~10 kg).
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
I said something similar recently. For hollow cheeks, you first and foremost need pronounced cheekbones and chewing doesn't give that. Mewing does, over time though. Chewing just blows up your masseters just like bruxism does with far less tooth wear.
You're absolutely right. If I had been mewing instead of chewing gum I would look 10 times better right now. Unfortunately back then I hadn't clocked on to mewing at al.
Even now you are not too late, you still can improve your cheekbones, just don't chew (gum) more than 10 mins per day. Also, look at this guy who went overboard with chewing:
The after pic is horizontally inverted but still, it's obvious how chewing so much (for a year) did nothing for his orbital support and cheekbone projection. His masseters developed nicely, though which further shows the effects of chewing.
There's a fellow in this forum who advocates chewing for cheekbone improvement, I suggest you to not take his advice as it's counter-productive for what you are after.
Good luck.
Cheekbone projection is mostly dictated by fat mass on face, his zygo width looks wider than average, there's no before or after but I'd guess his zygos grew on the side, it doesn't necessarily add much aesthetic though, but it can slightly increase fWHR.
@auxiliarus I recently reached 6 foot actually despite being 19 (I was also a VERY late bloomer so that's partially a factor). I also have terrible posture which means I probably could still increase me height. If you're referring to me somehow growing taller as a result of this, no, this is definitely not the case.
I definitely haven't gotten a shorter face. I'm certainly sceptical over your claim that it would shorten my maxilla?
Fuck it. Going to post a photo so you can see what I mean when I talk in the original post. No clear evidence to suggest that my maxilla may have rotated backwards. Very clear and defined cheekbones but my face it too wide. You can't really notice that I have a wide face in this picture but I can assure you if I were to take a photo and compared it to a photo of my face a few months back there is a noticeable difference in the width of my face which has consequently made me less attractive.
I'm fairly lucky with reasonably high cheekbones and decent facial structure and shape. The issues for me currently are reducing the size of my masseters slightly, having better eye support and improving my posture (I suffer from rounded shoulders, forward head position and anterior pelvic tilt). I also suffer from tmj and facial and bodily asymmetry but I'm soon going to start working on that.
Just in case you need to know, I'm 19m
I think the photo is attached? I'm not tensing in the photo, only mewing
Message to all guys on this forum. Just trust me, its not worth it at all. I'll give my story to explain why this is:
I began to become super insecure about how I looked and saw all these guys with hollow cheeks and thought that if I had features like that it would make me considerably more attractive. I began chewing gum every day pretty much all the time and carried on doing this for months and months although I'm not sure how long exactly. Interestingly, I do now have hollow cheeks under the right lighting (which is the case for everyone with hollow cheeks), so at least there's that.
Its not quite as simple as that, though. I previously had a very slim face, which was also very angular (and consequently reasonably attractive). From chewing gum, I've now completely lost that. Since the size of masseters has increased I no longer have a slim face and now have a much fatter and unattractive face as a result. Also, I now have considerable pain in both my jaw muscles. I believe that astrosky has also stopped chewing gum as it was causing him quite a lot of health issues too (I might be wrong). Also, most of the time you will not be able to see hollow cheeks as in normal daylight or any form of lighting unless you have your head at specific angles it isn't even noticeable.
You can even see from videos on youtube that, in most cases, chewing gum hasn't really improved facial features at all. It just fills out your face and makes it look far worse.
For those of you considering doing it for hollow cheeks, just bear in mind that having hollow cheeks is not the be all and end all in attractiveness. While I may have them now under right lighting conditions, most of the hollow cheeks you see in guys if due to really good lighting which casts shadows in exactly the right areas and brings them out more. Mine are not visible 90% of the time and it has not made me more attractive.
Don't fucking ruin your face guys, it's not worth it. Hitting the gym, mewing and having a clean diet and good skin routine will go way further than chewing gum.
Also... anyone on this forum know how to reduce the size of masseter muscles??? 😆 😆
PS: I know people are going to claim I don't have hollow cheeks or whatever since I know it's quite a desirable thing for people to achieve and isn't common. If worst comes to worst I'll send a photo to a trusted member of the forum who won't spread the picture who can confirm.
I said something similar recently. For hollow cheeks, you first and foremost need pronounced cheekbones and chewing doesn't give that. Mewing does, over time though. Chewing just blows up your masseters just like bruxism does with far less tooth wear.
You're absolutely right. If I had been mewing instead of chewing gum I would look 10 times better right now. Unfortunately back then I hadn't clocked on to mewing at al.
Even now you are not too late, you still can improve your cheekbones, just don't chew (gum) more than 10 mins per day. Also, look at this guy who went overboard with chewing:
The after pic is horizontally inverted but still, it's obvious how chewing so much (for a year) did nothing for his orbital support and cheekbone projection. His masseters developed nicely, though which further shows the effects of chewing.
There's a fellow in this forum who advocates chewing for cheekbone improvement, I suggest you to not take his advice as it's counter-productive for what you are after.
Good luck.
Cheekbone projection is mostly dictated by fat mass on face, his zygo width looks wider than average, there's no before or after but I'd guess his zygos grew on the side, it doesn't necessarily add much aesthetic though, but it can slightly increase fWHR.
I definitely haven't gotten a shorter face. I'm certainly sceptical over your claim that it would shorten my maxilla?
Fuck it. Going to post a photo so you can see what I mean when I talk in the original post. No clear evidence to suggest that my maxilla may have rotated backwards. Very clear and defined cheekbones but my face it too wide. You can't really notice that I have a wide face in this picture but I can assure you if I were to take a photo and compared it to a photo of my face a few months back there is a noticeable difference in the width of my face which has consequently made me less attractive.
I'm fairly lucky with reasonably high cheekbones and decent facial structure and shape. The issues for me currently are reducing the size of my masseters slightly, having better eye support and improving my posture (I suffer from rounded shoulders, forward head position and anterior pelvic tilt). I also suffer from tmj and facial and bodily asymmetry but I'm soon going to start working on that.
Just in case you need to know, I'm 19m
I think the photo is attached? I'm not tensing in the photo, only mewing
Edit: whoops, I managed to attach it twice lol
I was definitely not asking about your height, I was asking if you measured your facial height or your fWHR ratio. I know that chewing can reduce facial height, also you might want to look at EddieMoney's post he's covered a lot of information about chewing and it's effects on facial height. I was wondering if this fat you speak of comes perhaps from shortening your face, making fat cells and your skin stack. I'm just wondering, but if you pinch your cheek area lightly at it's fattest point right now and try to guess it's thickness, what would it be?
I've personally achieved higher fWHR from chewing and have noticed more facial fat. I've also gained weight though so I don't know for sure how accurate that is. We don't know how fast the soft tissue can adapt to bone movement if it ever does, just like some people lose weight and always have loose skin why wouldn't shortening the face lead to something similar? Just my two cents either way.
Also your face looks pretty good in that picture, but that's a very specific lightning and camera angle there, your muscles look very tensed even though you may not consciously tense them. Especially jaw muscles are prone to tension. If you touch your masseters right now are they hard? Muscle should be very soft when relaxed, it should feel like fresh beef in roughness.
@auxiliarus I was mewing in the picture. You're probably right though, my constant gum chewing was probably resulting in my masseters being more tense than what would be considered a relaxed state. I think thats quite interesting what youre saying about fat stacking and my face shortening as its something very noticable in my pictures so youre definitely right. It would explain the fact that my face appears much wider than it previously has done. I've gone a few days without gum now and I'm already noticing improvements; my face appears to be getting thinner. I think I should be back to normal again fairly soon.
I'm assuming theres some way to reverse or combat this facial shortening??
You're so right though, my face does definitely appear shorter in newer pictures than in older pictures.
I've just tried measuring my cheek fact and I'd guess that its somewhere between 1.5/2cm? That's a definite huge increase. Bear in mind too that I have a low body fat percentage so it seems quite unusual that I would have thicker cheeks than I have had in the past.
@auxiliarus I was mewing in the picture. You're probably right though, my constant gum chewing was probably resulting in my masseters being more tense than what would be considered a relaxed state. I think thats quite interesting what youre saying about fat stacking and my face shortening as its something very noticable in my pictures so youre definitely right. It would explain the fact that my face appears much wider than it previously has done. I've gone a few days without gum now and I'm already noticing improvements; my face appears to be getting thinner. I think I should be back to normal again fairly soon.
I'm assuming theres some way to reverse or combat this facial shortening??
You're so right though, my face does definitely appear shorter in newer pictures than in older pictures.
I've just tried measuring my cheek fact and I'd guess that its somewhere between 1.5/2cm? That's a definite huge increase. Bear in mind too that I have a low body fat percentage so it seems quite unusual that I would have thicker cheeks than I have had in the past.
Yep I've had the same thing happen as you, I went from fWHR of 1,69 to 1,95, it's a huge change, there's no way my zygo size increased by that much, zygos only slightly rotate upwards and become slightly wider from chewing. I've measured my cheek fat, you can see in the pictures I've posted here before, I've around 2-2,5cm of cheek skin thickness. That's definitely abnormal as I've seen studies showing buccal fat to only have 0,6mm thickness. Also note that fat on face probably accounts for 80%+ of skin thickness, there's no way it's not from fat.
Honestly I think you're right, I just saw a study showing correlation between a short face and chewing, the face in the study didn't look good at all. The face became so short the tongue didn't fit inside mouth anymore, it basically started hanging below the chin
You bring up a very good point, OP. Hollow cheeks isn't the giver and taker, it's pretty much the eye area, in actuality. It's been documented that people have gotten the opposite of hollow cheeks and in fact, this high intensity chewing made it harder for them to achieve their hollow cheeks goal.
How were you chewing your gum? With the molars, incisors, or were you balancing between the incisors and molars?
Some people or perhaps most people don't have proper chewing habits. Going overkill with two hours a day is not good and not supplementing the natural need of providing your masseters the daily resistance they should rightfully have.
You bring up a very good point, OP. Hollow cheeks isn't the giver and taker, it's pretty much the eye area, in actuality. It's been documented that people have gotten the opposite of hollow cheeks and in fact, this high intensity chewing made it harder for them to achieve their hollow cheeks goal.
How were you chewing your gum? With the molars, incisors, or were you balancing between the incisors and molars?
Some people or perhaps most people don't have proper chewing habits. Going overkill with two hours a day is not good and not supplementing the natural need of providing your masseters the daily resistance they should rightfully have.
It was great of you to come forward with this.
He's also not the only one, many people have already reported on different forums negative effects from chewing, especially facial bloating/fattening, but also worse chin even.
The problem is with chewing for people with a recessed face/no cheekbones. Is that hypertrophied masseters with no cheekbone development makes your face 'bottom heavy', which is what I've experienced personally, this ultimately gives the face a bit of a fat aesthetic. My chin has definitely gotten larger and it occupies much more of my face now, as it used to appear smaller. I don't know if it's worth the trade-off at the moment, as my small masseters made my lack of cheekbone kind of look proportionate. Now I have an awful ogee curve because my cheeks stick out, when it was formerly flatter. Which is annoying since I'm about 13% body fat, perhaps to get the most out of having larger masseters is to be around 10% BF.
The problem is with chewing for people with a recessed face/no cheekbones. Is that hypertrophied masseters with no cheekbone development makes your face 'bottom heavy', which is what I've experienced personally, this ultimately gives the face a bit of a fat aesthetic. My chin has definitely gotten larger and it occupies much more of my face now, as it used to appear smaller. I don't know if it's worth the trade-off at the moment, as my small masseters made my lack of cheekbone kind of look proportionate. Now I have an awful ogee curve because my cheeks stick out, when it was formerly flatter. Which is annoying since I'm about 13% body fat, perhaps to get the most out of having larger masseters is to be around 10% BF.
Temporalis muscle is what developes the zygo width though. There's no way you can have a wide face without chewing.
Also as others have said before, chewing may actually make your face shorter, leading to more fat tissue on the face.
Temporalis muscle is what developes the zygo width though. There's no way you can have a wide face without chewing.
Also as others have said before, chewing may actually make your face shorter, leading to more fat tissue on the face.
Is there an explanation for this phenomena? And if so, how does one avoid it? And how much should one chew, in your opinion?
The explanation of the phenomena is right here :
I'd say early on the biggest change will come from dental height, teeth will be pushed more into gums, so dental height will become shorter, this already makes the face much fatter. However overtime the lower face and the maxilla should become shorter in height, gonial angle should decrease.
There's no way to prevent it, all forms of chewing will shorten dental height and compress facial soft tissue.
The question is, if it happens, will it eventually go away? Here are my thoughts :
1) The excess skill should go away eventually.
2) However the underlying fat may not. It depends whether having a long face actually increases the number of adipocyte cells(hyperplasia). More specifically the question is whether stretching force over long periods of time can cause fat cells to increase in numbers?
I've read some studies and usually stretching causes hypoplasia in adipocytes, not hyperplasia, however it's all interminnent stretching at higher intensities vs permenant low-intensity stretch a long face creates.
So basically no one knows if it will go away, I think as my face got shorter the amount of tissue is slowly decreasing. I'll know in a few months when I get down to same weight as some before pictures.
It may be of importance to you : Facial fat is different than other fat, it's less responsive to beta agonists and it's related to visceral fat, even though visceral fat is very sensitive to beta agonists.
In theory the best way to lose facial fat would be to try and lose fat during sleep, when catecholamine concentrations are minimum, because other fat tissues are more responsive to it. This way, at least you'll lose as much facial fat as actual fat, instead of losing body-fat without losing facial fat. But it's only theory. There's also stuff like yohimibine and caffeine, they can reduce fat topically and at topical dosages the effects on CNS are minimum. Yohimibine is an alpha antagonist, since facial fat doesn't respond much to beta receptors it's safe to assume antagonizing the alpha receptors may work.
@auxiliarus Thanks for the response. So ultimately, do you think everyone should spend some time on chewing? Or should some people avoid it? I myself would say my face is pretty balanced, but it lacks some width. Do you think I have anything to loose by chewing gum for 1 hour a day, like Mike Mew recommends?
@auxiliarus Thanks for the response. So ultimately, do you think everyone should spend some time on chewing? Or should some people avoid it? I myself would say my face is pretty balanced, but it lacks some width. Do you think I have anything to loose by chewing gum for 1 hour a day, like Mike Mew recommends?
Chewing doesn't develop eye distance though, so it makes your face wider only in the zygos. I'd say if you have low fWHR you can go for it, as long as your eye distance is normal.
Oh, no no, definitely not! Guess I really don’t get how fWHR is calculated, lol. This is my face
You were right, in the picture your fWHR is 1,9. However selfies distort faces and make them longer, your fWHR is probably 2,0+, maybe even 2,1+. I'd definitely suggest you to stop chewing, your zygos already look well developed, compared to your eye distance your zygos are already very wide, I think widening your face more will make you look like the guy I posted, where eye distance will look visually smaller because of wider zygos.
I think you have a good facial profile from front, if you lose facial fat and get a wider neck you will look very good. Right now you may think that your gonial width is too small compared to zygomatic width, but it's an issue of neck width.
I hope you don't mind, but I took your picture, gave you wider neck width and slightly less buccal fat, if you do mind then just say I'll remove it :
Look at how a wider neck instantly makes your gonial width look wider, however I didn't temper with the gonial width at all.
Maybe I'm tripping, but if you look at the picture from close distance, the way a person would see you in normal life, your lips and whole lower face look wider just from increasing the width of your neck.
Here's a low-effort attempt to make this guy's neck wider, it still looks messed up, but I think he looks slightly better with an extremely wide neck and wide face than only wide face.
The UL for Vitamin C is 2000mg. And greensmoothies is apparently taking 4x that. I don't think that's good in the long term.
Edit: The RDA is 90mg. Going for 8g is just asking for unnecessary trouble.
Vitamin C is water-soluble, high-dosages will just make you piss it out, unless you have an underlying disease that can affect that.
Such excesses are passed out via urine if it's from your diet (which isn't the case here), not from supplemental overdosing of the UL by four times. Sure, it's no problem if you are fine with indigestion, nausea, abdominal cramps, diarrhoea, kidney stones and possibly excessive absorption of iron.
Besides, what does such an excessive dose do to gum inflammation? And as Robbie said, he's already taking Vitamin C.
I hope you don't mind, but I took your picture, gave you wider neck width and slightly less buccal fat, if you do mind then just say I'll remove it :
Look at how a wider neck instantly makes your gonial width look wider, however I didn't temper with the gonial width at all.
Maybe I'm tripping, but if you look at the picture from close distance, the way a person would see you in normal life, your lips and whole lower face look wider just from increasing the width of your neck.
I can't see any difference. Maybe a gif would show any differences better.
I hope you don't mind, but I took your picture, gave you wider neck width and slightly less buccal fat, if you do mind then just say I'll remove it :
Look at how a wider neck instantly makes your gonial width look wider, however I didn't temper with the gonial width at all.
Maybe I'm tripping, but if you look at the picture from close distance, the way a person would see you in normal life, your lips and whole lower face look wider just from increasing the width of your neck.
I can't see any difference. Maybe a gif would show any differences better.
I barely changed his neck size, maybe that's why, it's very subtle.
The UL for Vitamin C is 2000mg. And greensmoothies is apparently taking 4x that. I don't think that's good in the long term.
Edit: The RDA is 90mg. Going for 8g is just asking for unnecessary trouble.
Vitamin C is water-soluble, high-dosages will just make you piss it out, unless you have an underlying disease that can affect that.
Such excesses are passed out via urine if it's from your diet (which isn't the case here), not from supplemental overdosing of the UL by four times. Sure, it's no problem if you are fine with indigestion, nausea, abdominal cramps, diarrhoea, kidney stones and possibly excessive absorption of iron.
Besides, what does such an excessive dose do to gum inflammation? And as Robbie said, he's already taking Vitamin C.
The only side effect of Vitamin C megadoses is indeed diarrhea, nothing else though, everything else you mentioned comes from other forms of underlying disease.
The single repeatable side effect of oral megadose vitamin C is a mild laxative effect if the practitioner attempts to consume too much too quickly. In the United States and Canada, a tolerable upper intake level (UL) was set at 2,000 mg/day, citing this mild laxative effect as the reason for establishing the UL.[1] However, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) reviewed the safety question in 2006 and reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence to set a UL for vitamin C.[18] The Japan National Institute of Health and Nutrition reviewed the same question in 2010 and also reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence to set a UL.[19]
About 70–90% of vitamin C is absorbed by the body when taken orally at normal levels (30–180 mg daily). Only about 50% is absorbed from daily doses of 1 gram (1,000 mg). Oral administration, even of megadoses, cannot raise blood concentration above 0.22 mM.[20]
Oh, no no, definitely not! Guess I really don’t get how fWHR is calculated, lol. This is my face
You were right, in the picture your fWHR is 1,9. However selfies distort faces and make them longer, your fWHR is probably 2,0+, maybe even 2,1+. I'd definitely suggest you to stop chewing, your zygos already look well developed, compared to your eye distance your zygos are already very wide, I think widening your face more will make you look like the guy I posted, where eye distance will look visually smaller because of wider zygos.
I think you have a good facial profile from front, if you lose facial fat and get a wider neck you will look very good. Right now you may think that your gonial width is too small compared to zygomatic width, but it's an issue of neck width.
Is a wide fWHR bad or good? That guy you showed certainly wasn’t the most handsome fellow... Surprised to hear a I have well developed zygos, thought the opposite. I do agree I should have less fat in the face, despite already being quite slim. And a wider neck would be good. But don’t you think my jaw still should widen some? Here is an picture of my side:
I hope you don't mind, but I took your picture, gave you wider neck width and slightly less buccal fat, if you do mind then just say I'll remove it :
No worries! Just appreciate your input! :) I have to agree with @Azrael, I can’t really detect any difference.
Maybe I'm tripping, but if you look at the picture from close distance, the way a person would see you in normal life, your lips and whole lower face look wider just from increasing the width of your neck.
I think you’re tripping bro, lol. But I could still imagine what your trying to get across. Think it makes sense.
The UL for Vitamin C is 2000mg. And greensmoothies is apparently taking 4x that. I don't think that's good in the long term.
Edit: The RDA is 90mg. Going for 8g is just asking for unnecessary trouble.
Vitamin C is water-soluble, high-dosages will just make you piss it out, unless you have an underlying disease that can affect that.
Such excesses are passed out via urine if it's from your diet (which isn't the case here), not from supplemental overdosing of the UL by four times. Sure, it's no problem if you are fine with indigestion, nausea, abdominal cramps, diarrhoea, kidney stones and possibly excessive absorption of iron.
Besides, what does such an excessive dose do to gum inflammation? And as Robbie said, he's already taking Vitamin C.
The only side effect of Vitamin C megadoses is indeed diarrhea, nothing else though, everything else you mentioned comes from other forms of underlying disease.
The single repeatable side effect of oral megadose vitamin C is a mild laxative effect if the practitioner attempts to consume too much too quickly. In the United States and Canada, a tolerable upper intake level (UL) was set at 2,000 mg/day, citing this mild laxative effect as the reason for establishing the UL.[1] However, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) reviewed the safety question in 2006 and reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence to set a UL for vitamin C.[18] The Japan National Institute of Health and Nutrition reviewed the same question in 2010 and also reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence to set a UL.[19]
About 70–90% of vitamin C is absorbed by the body when taken orally at normal levels (30–180 mg daily). Only about 50% is absorbed from daily doses of 1 gram (1,000 mg). Oral administration, even of megadoses, cannot raise blood concentration above 0.22 mM.[20]
Still, my question stands: why risk diarrhoea when it's not even necessary in the first place?
Just look at Obama example, it's crazy, his lower jaw seems so narrow in left picture, yet in right picture it's like he's got a huge jaw now. That's why I think instead of trying to chew to widen your gonial width, you should first try making your neck wider and see how it changes your face. Neck muscles can become pretty wide and grow fast too.
Your face looks like it has good width, but lack of forward growth, especially in the mandible.
The UL for Vitamin C is 2000mg. And greensmoothies is apparently taking 4x that. I don't think that's good in the long term.
Edit: The RDA is 90mg. Going for 8g is just asking for unnecessary trouble.
Vitamin C is water-soluble, high-dosages will just make you piss it out, unless you have an underlying disease that can affect that.
Such excesses are passed out via urine if it's from your diet (which isn't the case here), not from supplemental overdosing of the UL by four times. Sure, it's no problem if you are fine with indigestion, nausea, abdominal cramps, diarrhoea, kidney stones and possibly excessive absorption of iron.
Besides, what does such an excessive dose do to gum inflammation? And as Robbie said, he's already taking Vitamin C.
The only side effect of Vitamin C megadoses is indeed diarrhea, nothing else though, everything else you mentioned comes from other forms of underlying disease.
The single repeatable side effect of oral megadose vitamin C is a mild laxative effect if the practitioner attempts to consume too much too quickly. In the United States and Canada, a tolerable upper intake level (UL) was set at 2,000 mg/day, citing this mild laxative effect as the reason for establishing the UL.[1] However, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) reviewed the safety question in 2006 and reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence to set a UL for vitamin C.[18] The Japan National Institute of Health and Nutrition reviewed the same question in 2010 and also reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence to set a UL.[19]
About 70–90% of vitamin C is absorbed by the body when taken orally at normal levels (30–180 mg daily). Only about 50% is absorbed from daily doses of 1 gram (1,000 mg). Oral administration, even of megadoses, cannot raise blood concentration above 0.22 mM.[20]
Still, my question stands: why risk diarrhoea when it's not even necessary in the first place?
6-8g of Vitamin C reduces flu/cold symptoms duration by around 19%, idk why he does it, but I'd imagine spreading the vitamin C out should fix all possible symptoms.
Temporalis muscle is what developes the zygo width though. There's no way you can have a wide face without chewing.
Also as others have said before, chewing may actually make your face shorter, leading to more fat tissue on the face.
Is there an explanation for this phenomena? And if so, how does one avoid it? And how much should one chew, in your opinion?
By the way I was wrong, there is a way to avoid dental height reducing.
If you mew and push with the tongue, the mandible will be pushed down and maybe even backwards. From there you can use any chewing muscle as a counter-force to your tongue.
In this way you can use these muscles without reducing dental height.
Re: vitamin C - I've taken Vitamin C like this for 9 years so far (with a 2 year break in there which resulted in the return of my gum inflammation, so I went back to using it) and never gotten a kidney stone, or ever before, ymmv of course.
Very unlikely to experience loose stools taking 1g through the day and not exceeding 15g unless there's an underlying issue causing this result, in which case some people report doing better on sodium ascorbate for this reason.
So many reasons to take vitamin C doing this work, it's the OG redox balancer for starters. https://www.evolutamente.it/health-evolution-5g-the-vitamin-c-connection/ Rather than explain my personal reasons for taking vitamin C like I do, I post the link above to a researcher who reached the same conclusion re: vitamin C dose schedule that I did by reading studies on pubmed etc.
That's why I think instead of trying to chew to widen your gonial width, you should first try making your neck wider and see how it changes your face. Neck muscles can become pretty wide and grow fast too.
Your face looks like it has good width, but lack of forward growth, especially in the mandible.
This makes sense. Your also very correct about my mandible. Guess I will just mew for a while and try to work that neck and see how things develop. Again, thanks a lot for the feedback, I appreciate it very much! :)
By the way I was wrong, there is a way to avoid dental height reducing.
If you mew and push with the tongue, the mandible will be pushed down and maybe even backwards. From there you can use any chewing muscle as a counter-force to your tongue.
In this way you can use these muscles without reducing dental height.
Do you mean to make them bigger? If so, do you really think the resistance would be high enough that way?
By the way I was wrong, there is a way to avoid dental height reducing.
If you mew and push with the tongue, the mandible will be pushed down and maybe even backwards. From there you can use any chewing muscle as a counter-force to your tongue.
In this way you can use these muscles without reducing dental height.
Do you mean to make them bigger? If so, do you really think the resistance would be high enough that way?
It's not about resistance, but more about usage/volume.
Isn’t it about how much resistance the volume generates? Again, it seems to me that it might not be enough, although I may be wrong.
It's been shown that 1000g-1500g is enough to move maxilla, as long as the force is constant. As for widening zygos, I'd suppose yes, the resistance would matter, to hypertrophy the muscle.
@auxiliarus UPDATE: It's been a few weeks now since I've stopped chewing gum. My face width has definitely decreased and it feels like the width of my actual cheeks (in terms of the actual flesh, not the bones) has gone back to what it was. I think i was fortunate tbh, I was never chewing particularly strong gum so I didn't really get affected too badly (in relation to my facial ratios changing as you guys in the forum have discussed. I basically just had a tiny bit of swelling.
It strikes me that all of the facial width stuff can be reversed if you just stop chewing excessively, and you will return to normal again. My face has actually gotten a little wider, but I think this is partly just something which happens when you start growing older, more to do with my bone growth than the fact that I chewed excessively.
I do, however, still have some stuff to talk about, and can still offer another reason why you should not chew gum. This is quite a long story but I do relate it back to chewing gum in the end, so just bear with. I've learn't quite a lot recently from my own experiences and research, which I think could benefit a lot of you here.
As I've recently noticed, I actually suffer from really bad tmj, which affects both my health and how I look. Not genetic (evidenced by the fact that the rest of my family doesn't have it); it stems from the fact that, when I was younger, I had a filling done on my left molar which caused considerable pain when I chewed on that side. To counter this, I chewed excessively on the right side of my face. This caused all sorts of problems. My jaw on my right side is therefore stronger and has been overused. This causes an uneven bite. I now have horrendous clicking in the right side of my jaw. It also results in uneven tension across the rest of your body, which causes bodily asymmetry (such as one shoulder being higher than the opposite shoulder and other such problems, one of my nipples is even higher than the other lol). This exacerbates facial asymmetry even further. You can actually see this in the photo of myself that I originally posted- that my right side of my jaw is slightly higher. It literally affects the whole rest of your body. It might even explain why I had muscular imbalances in my legs as a child, though that I can't be sure of.
If you suffer from something like this, chewing gum can be even more damaging (as I have learnt from personal experience). The pain in my jaws from when I was chewing gum at times was unbearable, to the point where I couldnt even chew hard foods. I've likely caused quite significant damage to my facial muscles and joints from doing this.
I'm now at the point where I'm going to have to see a dentist as soon as lockdown finishes. I've read that dentists can offer you brace-type devices which help to correct this and restore a more even bite.
Long story short,
if you are doing it to counter muscular imbalances in your jaw, as I eventually started doing when I first noticed that I had this and didn't realise it was from TMJ (i.e. you are chewing on one side instead of the other), don't. It won't fix it and it will just make your problems worse. See a dentist, they will likely be able to fix a lot of the problems you have.
If you're doing it to gain a stronger jawline, mewing is a far better alternative.
What other forums do you know that discuss these stuff? Ive also been chewing very hardcore and it hypertrophied my buccinators and other facial muscles around that area. It looks horrible ive completely lost any hollowness i had, i think the best way to chew is to chew a few pieces not very hard but for a long time. Do you know of anyone that reversed their bloating? I think im gonna stay like this now f
Do you think my swelling can be reduced? I pretty much hypertrophied in my opinion all the muscles including buccinators in that area and i look perma bloated. Its been 2 years on and off of chewing but now im really onlygonna chew small pieces only with masseters.
Im so scared its never gonna go back to what it was since the myonuclei in the muscles stay forever after theiv multiplied.
Yeah for sure, just stop chewing and you'll be fine. Also note that mewing will increase your palate width which will probably makes your cheeks less hollow.
Yeah for sure, just stop chewing and you'll be fine. Also note that mewing will increase your palate width which will probably makes your cheeks less hollow.
i dont think you understood or addressed what i wrote. The myonuclei dont go away ever after theive been created. For example i was working out for a few years and my muscles got very big but after stopping and doing absolutely nothing physically my muscles get maintained at 9% bf with simply eating food. Ofcourse ive downsized but from where i started where i was skinny af its night and day.
The cheek area doesnt look natural anymore and im bloated no matter what. Even when i stopped chewing for a few months it didnt go back to what it was previously. And when i chew normal food i think thats enough stimulation to keep the muscles in my face at a less deflated state than the max they were but definitely waaaay bigger than before chewing.
And i cant just stop chewing, daily food requires chewing, the only gum chewing il be doing is with single pieces of gum and short up and down movements carefully only activating the masseters as much as possible. My problem was i had massive pieces of gum and i would open and close my mouth with force for half an hour to an hour at times. I had an ice cold glass of water where i would drink every 5 minutes to harden the gum. After those sessions my cheeks were insanely bloated but i didnt think much of it.
In no way im being disrespectful btw i just like to be objective and the way you phrased it "Yeah for sure, just stop chewing and you'll be fine" just seems proactively optimistic to make me feel good. Are you 100% sure bloating can all go away aka hypertrophies face muscles become smaller or however you wanna phrase it.
Chewing is not bad, but you can do overdo it. It isn't some magic pill on its own as it can't help a steep mandible/high gonial angle/non-existent gonion area "glow up" much. It can help create hollow cheeks or make the jaw appear wider a pinch, but often it seems weakly appealing unless you're one of those fewer people that gets those super masseters from bruxism. I think a flatter angle of the jaw with weaker masseters is way better than just bulky masseters with a really steep mandible.
It's also hard to say since studies show exact opposites -- some show masseters lengthen or make the mandible more "stout" while others show it makes them steeper.
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Maybe, it's possible. Your issue isn't muscle size though, chewing causes CW rotation of maxilla and facial bloating, so...
The whole idea of chewing is bone growth, you need something hard and intense to do that, with frequent chewing you're just causing CCW rotation of maxilla.
Maybe, it's possible. Your issue isn't muscle size though, chewing causes CW rotation of maxilla and facial bloating, so...
The whole idea of chewing is bone growth, you need something hard and intense to do that, with frequent chewing you're just causing CCW rotation of maxilla.
you just contradicted your self, "chewing causes CW rotation of maxilla and facial bloating" and "frequent chewing you're just causing CCW rotation of maxilla". What do you mean by this exactly i dont understand. chewing does not cause cw rotation of the maxilla in noone. And from my research its not just bone growth its bone remodelling mainly. You wont get much skull bone growth after the age of 19 male or female. And if it isnt muslce size my issue then what is it? I had hollow cheeks before and now i barely have them.
Maybe, it's possible. Your issue isn't muscle size though, chewing causes CW rotation of maxilla and facial bloating, so...
The whole idea of chewing is bone growth, you need something hard and intense to do that, with frequent chewing you're just causing CCW rotation of maxilla.
you just contradicted your self, "chewing causes CW rotation of maxilla and facial bloating" and "frequent chewing you're just causing CCW rotation of maxilla". What do you mean by this exactly i dont understand. chewing does not cause cw rotation of the maxilla in noone. And from my research its not just bone growth its bone remodelling mainly. You wont get much skull bone growth after the age of 19 male or female. And if it isnt muslce size my issue then what is it? I had hollow cheeks before and now i barely have them.
I meant to say CW rotation, chewing always causes CW rotation of the maxilla.
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