Posted by: Apollo

Posted by: Jeffrey

@apollo you said that the soft palate presses into the airway, and the video you linked of Mr Mew said that it was normal to have some discomfort and that people with horizontal growth only have a small amount of the palate pressing against the airway. Does this mean that with constant practise of correct oral posture, you will train your palate to only have a small amount of it pressing against the airway? Or will the constant practise of correct oral posture push the maxilla up and forward, and thus allow you to breathe easier?

I'm so confused about how correct oral posture! When you have correct oral posture, can you not breathe through your nose because 1. tongue tie? 2. you need to push your maxilla up? 3. it's normal?

so many contradicting statements!

 Hi Jeffery, here's my post you mentioned from another thread:

Posted by: Apollo
Yes, the very reason people don't tend to practice proper oral posture is because it impinges their airway, and this perpetuates the downward spiral of the maxilla dropping further down and back, further restricting the airway. Anyone without adequate tongue space will find that the posterior third, when correctly seated on the roof of the mouth, will press the soft palate into the pharynx, restricting breathing through the nose. This can even be a sign that you have achieved correct oral posture. Then you have to practice the control to back off just enough to breath, while still keeping the posterior tongue engaged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2vqxBkRoXI

It sounds like you understood what I was trying to explain. I suspect what you describe as difficulty breathing when practicing correct oral posture is what all of us experience with any level of craniofacial dystrophy. With a recessed maxialla and/or narrow palate restricting tongue space, lifting the posterior tongue against the soft palate completely or partially obstructs the pharynx. If you really had a tongue tie, surgically removing part of the lingual frenulum would make it easier for you to lift your tongue to the roof of your mouth, but it wouldn't prevent the posterior tongue from blocking your airway. The only way to fix this, as you suggest, is to create more tongue space, but unfortunately, this requires keeping your posterior tongue in the position that is blocking your airway. We can't stop breathing, so what to do? I find that lifting my tongue up to the point that it closes off my pharynx is a good indicator helping me to know that I am correctly engaging the posterior part of my tongue which seems to be crucial to achieving change. Then, I can practice reducing the pressure of my tongue just enough to inhale and exhale while hearing and feeling the resistance of the air passing through the narrowed space. Finally I try to back off the tongue enough to breathe relatively freely, while still trying to feel that posterior tongue contacting the soft palate. It's a delicate balance, that I probably am not maintaining correctly most of the time, but the idea is that it gets easier as you become more accustomed to the posture and hopefully as your maxilla slowly moves up and forward, creating more tongue space in the processes, and in a virtuous cycle making it easier to be more consistent with correct oral posture. If you have a narrow maxillary arch, palate expanders can create lateral space to fit your tongue on your palate with less restriction on your airway. Does that all make sense?

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i have trouble doing its especially during excercise

  JFLboyos has your breathing improved while tongue up?

@ani3000, yes, he did a thread about this:

/community/community/main-forum/serious-what-does-this-mean/#post-8732

My breathing capabilities through the nose were pretty bad in the start. As I kept at it (forcing tongue posture throughout the days) and saw gradual expansion of my maxilla, breathing through my nose became gradually easier. After about 3 months I started sleeping with my tongue in the roof of the mouth, lips sealed, consistently every night.

Today, about 15 months since I started, I can breath a lot better through my nose and my sleep has thus improved. Looking for more breathing improvements and other type of improvements as I keep at it, with or without a device.

Many adults using devices to expand their underdeveloped maxillas report improving their nasal breathing capabilities a whole lot, there are for example a number of testimonials on youtube by patients using the DNA appliance. As the maxilla grows the airways (including the nasal airways) generally seem to grow larger. The tongue having more room in the roof of the mouth also makes it block airflow in the throat to a lesser degree, which it generally does to a significant degree when it is forced to be in a position further back/downwards by an underdeveloped maxilla.

Yea guys it’s much better know... listen to these experts’ advises. The important thing is to have the back of the tongue hitting. 

My palate has definitely gotten wider, my mandible and maxilla (both) have moved a bit forward.