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(@wilsonjoseph)
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I have been reading up on mewing and all the problems people have with it and why it is necessary in the first place, but no matter how hard I try I cannot do it. my tounge simply cannot push the back part of itself up towards the roof of my mouth at all. whenever I try, my tounge just folds over itself and the tip begins pushing on the roof. I have a bad tounge thrust, usually chew on one side of my mouth and I'm a mouth breather/snore at night and I'm afraid if I dont make changes soon my face will look completly awful. so basically, I can push the tip of my tounge into the area just behind the 2 front teeth, but not even a little bit of the rest of my tounge can follow through. i looked up reasons for this and found that the tounge tie thing exists, but I do not believe I have it. my face is also slightly assymetirical, I believe one eye is a tiny bit bigger than the other and I looked twice as good as a child. 


 
Posted : 12/12/2018 11:57 pm
(@apollo)
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Perhaps your palate is too narrow to fit your posterior tongue. What is your intermolar width (distance between lingual sides of upper first molars)?


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:01 am
(@wilsonjoseph)
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how would you measure this? I've never heard of these terms before today, sorry. 


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:20 am
(@abdulrahman)
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Posted by: wilsonjoseph

how would you measure this? I've never heard of these terms before today, sorry. 

Have a doctor make a dental impression for you and measure between the spots marked on this cast:

inter molar width 4

my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:23 am
(@wilsonjoseph)
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ok, my orthodontist would be able to do this, right? I also have had all 4 molars removed so should I just measure the spaces they used to be? 


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:26 am
(@abdulrahman)
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Posted by: wilsonjoseph

ok, my orthodontist would be able to do this, right? I also have had all 4 molars removed so should I just measure the spaces they used to be? 

Yes he would be able to. Which set of 4 molars did you have removed first, second, or third (wisdom)?


my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:29 am
(@wilsonjoseph)
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okay and I had the wisdom ones removed, because I didn't have anywhere near enough space in my mouth. is there anything I can do until I get the measurement? 


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:31 am
(@abdulrahman)
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Posted by: wilsonjoseph

okay and I had the wisdom ones removed, because I didn't have anywhere near enough space in my mouth. is there anything I can do until I get the measurement? 

That's not a problem. If you look at the cast in picture the wisdom teeth are removed as well. The measurement is taken at the first molars not third (wisdom). Do you see where the back dots are? 


my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:34 am
(@apollo)
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You could also try taking an estimate of the measurement within your mouth using a ruler, tailor's tape, or caliper as demonstrated in this video (  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6IcjRUdHDM&t= ). Another good strategy is to cut something to a known length and then see if it fits between your upper first molars. Measuring on a dental cast (as abdulrahman suggested) would definitely be more accurate, but even an approximation could give us a rough idea for how narrow your palate is, and if that might be why you're struggling to engage the back of your tongue.


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:39 am
(@wilsonjoseph)
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oh my bad, I see it now. 


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:41 am
(@wilsonjoseph)
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ok, I'll definitely try that. if my palate turns out to be within a good range, what could the problem be? 


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:43 am
(@apollo)
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Posted by: wilsonjoseph

ok, I'll definitely try that. if my palate turns out to be within a good range, what could the problem be? 

If its very narrow, that could be an obvious limiting factor for tongue posture. If it is very wide, then tongue space is less likely to be your issue. In between is unclear. You mentioned tongue tie as another potential problem. You could also just be struggling with achieving voluntary control over the back of your tongue that could improve with practice and mindfulness. I'm sure there are other factors. A myofunctional therapist could help you sort out how to achieve correct oral posture.


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 12:56 am
(@apollo)
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Maybe try a push swallow with a cheesy smile as described in this video and see how well you can get the back of your tongue to lift up. Then you can try to generalize that motion to hold the tongue against the roof of the mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcI8CvoFxfQ&t=


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 1:04 am
(@wilsonjoseph)
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ok, I'll practice swallowing like that and see if I can hold it for a period of time. thanks for the help


 
Posted : 13/12/2018 8:34 am

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