Hey guys,
Just wanted to post this Weston Price article that may interest you: https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/notes-from-yesteryear/100-years-before-weston-price/
TLDR: From their birth to elderhood, Native Americans slept on their back and elevated their head enough to keep jaws shut and tongue on palate for the whole night, effectively guarding against recession of maxilla.
Most of you guys are probably keeping the tongue on the roof of your mouth consciously or sub-consciously but when it comes to sleeping at night you open your mouths and mouthbreath due to nasal congestion. If this is you then you are losing 7-10 hours of proper tongue posture and are effectively losing around 40% of facial results.
A solution is to recline your head and neck with some pillows at night, enough so that you achieve a mckenzie chin tuck whilst keeping the rest of your body flat. This will minimize nasal congestion and facilitate proper tongue posture during sleep.
It staggers me how some of the more underdeveloped parts of the world can have such wisdom. So do we want to have the pillow under the entire head or near the back to force the mckenzie tuck?
It staggers me how some of the more underdeveloped parts of the world can have such wisdom. So do we want to have the pillow under the entire head or near the back to force the mckenzie tuck?
Currently, I'm using two pillows against my bed wall and positioning the bottom to mid portion of my occiput onto the pillows instead of the whole back part of my head. See the image below:

Haha yeah. Breathing is THAT important that the Indians heavily focused on proper lip seal and tongue posture in their infants. Something as simple as elevating the head at night is enough to facilitate robust facial development into adulthood. No need for expensive surgeries, equipment and the like to compensate for facial dystrophy.
Some other poster here, never again, posted in his most recent thread that he actually sleeps with no pillow so that he is able to keep his neck straight and chin tucked. You can do this way but it might not be as good for your spine, not sure. Whatever works for you I guess
I think the thing with sleeping with pillows is they assist the mouth in staying closed by positioning the jaw closer to the throat, causing the tissue underneath the jaw to push the jaw upwards. The caveat with sleeping with pillows is how they misalign the spine and neck, which on their turn wreak wreak their on deal of havoc on your facial aesthetics.
Something I personally do to assure my jaw stays shut during sleep is putting a sleeping mask around my face with the elastic band over my jaw.
im not sure if this actually helps or not someone should test it out
I've been taping my mouth at night and sleeping on my back while trying to maintain a mckenzie chin tuck, and after a few nights of this I've been able to finally sleep with the mouth closed all night and also stay sleeping on my back all night. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who also has diagnosed mild to moderate sleep apnea
EDIT: No pillow as well
Yeah, last night I elevated my head with two pillows with a slight chin tuck and i slept amazing! Woke up earlier than usual with no dry mouth/lips. I honestly think we got something here!
mewing will cure youre apnea i promise you
i cant ever decide if to mew with bite closed or slightly open
I think either no pillow or a very light cushion is best. A pillow mimics a sort of forward head posture while laying flat against the floor allows you to have very good head posture. I think you might be interested in reading this https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/notes-from-yesteryear/100-years-before-weston-price/
Title: 100 Years Before Weston Price
It talks about the practices of Native Americans in relation to their posture, how they sleep, nose/mouth breathing. etc. Very interesting.
you should probably mew with teeth very slightly apart/hovering together. It should look to an outside observer that your teeth are together but in reality they are just really close together. See: freeway space
but the thing is i have a overbite so my Closed bite seems unatural but my slightly open bite does
Do you think wearing Myobrace while sleeping is also effective for this issue ?