One of the main gripes about this and other communities is the lack of photographic evidence. However over my time here I have noticed most people who post pics are simply met with the following responses:
"You look the same".
People like Yay, Jamo, Progress, and countless others with visible changes are simply dismissed because changes from tongue posture yield changes in millimeters . But people don't notice that the person is more aesthetic, they just don't see a model thus are disappointed.
Progress had visible upward maxillary movement. Some dismiss it because the maxilla didn't move in the manner they want it to. Others dismiss the results because of changes they perceive to be simply due to head tilting. The same thing happened with Yay. Clear midfacial reduction yet slight millimeters don't satisfy most people.
In short, this stuff works. Don't ever expect to look drastically different. I went into this knowing I want my teeth to be closer to my nose and my chin to project more. Both have happened. This stuff works if you understand the changes possible. If not be prepared for disappointment.
If you believe that mewing works or doesn't work, it doesn't matter; you are right.
If you don't have faith in the conceivable benefits it offers then you are unlikely to strive towards it. Improving oral posture is a long game and requires complete dedication. If you don't commit to it you are not going to succeed.
If you believe that mewing works or doesn't work, it doesn't matter; you are right.
If you don't have faith in the conceivable benefits it offers then you are unlikely to strive towards it. Improving oral posture is a long game and requires complete dedication. If you don't commit to it you are not going to succeed.
so I just started mewing and I noticed that I'm not able to do it 24/7 because while trying to proplerly mew, I notice I have difficulty concentrating on other thing, such as studying or working.
Well said. Look, the skepticism is warranted. A lot of people *are* posting before/afters that are incomparable because of the angle. But then there are cases like Jamo where the change is so drastic that the angle almost doesn't matter anymore.
@bigdino1 This is pretty common to people new to proper oral posture. It will take patience you'll be doing sub-consciously in a few weeks or even days. It's a habit and it takes time to develop.
I hope Dr. Mew would consider making a video about what to realistically expect from Mewing based on your IMW starting point, possibly other factors of note. This could do a lot toward adjusting expectations and maybe people could relax about their beards, makeup and selfie-quality pics.
Maybe we shouldn't be relying on before after pics anyway, for example something called Golki therapy from Korea iirc, a mix of massage and osteopathy, possibly other things, uses plaster masks to showcase changes.
eta: http://www.yakson.com.sg/sg/contents.php?code=040201&sca=Gypsum
Remember this pain... and let it activate you.
Maybe we shouldn't be relying on before after pics anyway, for example something called Golki therapy from Korea iirc, a mix of massage and osteopathy, possibly other things, uses plaster masks to showcase changes.
I mentioned here ( /community/community/case-discussions/my-routine/paged/4/#post-5490 ) how I found an old plaster mask of my face that I made in an art class during the years when I had my adolescent braces. My face still fits in the horizontal dimension but is clearly too long in the vertical dimension demonstrating how my structure changed for the worse after braces. You're right, it would be interesting to make a series of such masks to track progress.
visible changes are simply dismissed because changes from tongue posture yield changes in millimeters . But people don't notice that the person is more aesthetic, they just don't see a model thus are disappointed.
but millimeters can make a huge visible difference in the teeth, yet you do not see examples of such changes posted by people. Mind you moving the teeth and alveolar bone that holds them is the easiest thing and no orthodontists that I met dismissed the idea that teeth can move due to a change in oral habits. Yet again no example posted of teeth showing change.
You think if people can't show this kind of simple change are able to show change in skeletal bones? Mind you there is no privacy concern over this to hold them back from doing this.
There are so many other points that I can answer, but if I could get you to recognize this one point, there would be no need to.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
visible changes are simply dismissed because changes from tongue posture yield changes in millimeters . But people don't notice that the person is more aesthetic, they just don't see a model thus are disappointed.
but millimeters can make a huge visible difference in the teeth, yet you do not see examples of such changes posted by people. Mind you moving the teeth and alveolar bone that holds them is the easiest thing and no orthodontists that I met dismissed the idea that teeth can move due to a change in oral habits. Yet again no example posted of teeth showing change.
You think if people can't show this kind of simple change are able to show change in skeletal bones? Mind you there is no privacy concern over this to hold them back from doing this.
There are so many other points that I can answer, but if I could get you to recognize this one point, there would be no need to.
My point is I see visible changes in their face while others don't. There's those that see the changes and those that don't .
My point is I see visible changes in their face while others don't. There's those that see the changes and those that don't .
My point is that you dont know what you are seeing, but I tired to show the flaw in your analogy without being so direct.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
The smaller the difference, the more consistent the photos need to be. For most of the photos here claiming to show a few mm from Mewing, I just throw up my hands in trying to evaluate them. Maybe something changed. Maybe not. But it's a waste of my time trying to figure out what happened. I think a lot of people don't post pics because they know that their pics are crappy.
People really need to get more serious about their photography. It's not only important for other people to evaluate your progress, but it's important for you to know if the thing you are sinking time into is benefitting you.
I am documenting my AGGA case with good quality photos taken by myself.
Tips:
Anyone with the patience to research cutting-edge orthodontics should be capable of figuring out how to take consistent photos. Orthodontists also need to take better quality photos for their practices. No more shadows of the patient right behind them. It's not that hard.
Tips:
- Put your camera or phone on a tripod
- Use the same camera and lens so there isn't a mismatch in perspective
- Use a tape measure to ensure consistent distance from feet to tripod
- Have consistent lighting
- Have consistent head angle, unless you are trying to show a change in natural head posture
- Bonus: Use a DSLR or mirrorless camera on a tripod with off-camera flash on a lightstand.
- Take notes of camera settings, light positions, and tape measure distances
And that is exactly what I do, and guess what? I still get small discrepancies with some after pictures showing I am recessed more than before pictures and vice versa.
Why is that?
Because when talking in millimeters it's very hard to to be consistent and show change. That's why the best place to start is in the teeth. If you can record a great difference you know you are on to something and might possibly get some upswing in the maxilla in the long run.
Great post by the way.
my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/
Yeah, if you walk on water people will say
"Yeah well, he walks on water because he can't swim. just fkn lol if u think walking on water is hot. It's over buddy boyo, go and rope you virgin incel subhuman inbred"
Trust me, no matter how much success you achieve, there is always going to be some kunt that will try and dismiss you or bring you down lol
Yeah, if you walk on water people will say
"Yeah well, he walks on water because he can't swim. just fkn lol if u think walking on water is hot. It's over buddy boyo, go and rope you virgin incel subhuman inbred"
Trust me, no matter how much success you achieve, there is always going to be some kunt that will try and dismiss you or bring you down lol
Lookism
I completely agree with @eddiemoney's original post, and I need to add a couple more reasons that I'm seeing crop up related to the starting topic. I had held back on these, as I felt that his original topic was important enough by itself, but:
I've been seeing recently a lot of calls for just blurring or blocking out parts of a photo, but unfortunately, that hides key points that one can use to match up photos to help verify the accuracy of any changes. On top of that, blurring anything may not be satisfactory for the photo subject in properly hiding their identity.
If someone is uncomfortable with sharing their photos, I feel like that needs to be respected, full stop, and no arguing or attempting to coerce. Please, treat other people as you would want to be treated.
@Sclera, I agree, that was even a forum rule already "no harassing for pictures", but people seem to forget about that, unfortunately.
True. My job is very public (I work in management for a company with an international presence). My face is known to others and I can actually be googled based on my other recognitions and accolades. I am not a celebrity by any means but I already have too much info out there about me as it is.
I too have a presence online because of my business. Although there's nothing wrong or even "weird" about discussing physical or medical issues online, you don't necessarily want customers knowing anything about that part of your life (just because it's none of their business). Apart from anything, the aesthetic side of things is highly personal and private. I think it would make my customers a little creeped out to see photos of me online talking about the aesthetics of my jaw!
I've done my best to disguise myself in photos, even to the point of blurring them a bit and/or applying artistic filters, but I still freak out later and convince myself that I'm 100% recognizable. So I delete them. I agree it's not helpful when important landmarks like eyes or ears are covered up.
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