Are you jamo? 

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lol and see it's not even a matter of whether 'mewing' works. that's just such an awful way to look at it. seriously, it's like asking if breathing or eating works. there is no such thing as mewing. mewing is as fundamental as any other natural process you take for granted. I didn't mew myself out of hellish uggoness in that I supplemented some activity that other people don't do. Rather, I adopted the natural posture(s) that my body was begging for. 

Freakazoid

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migtve been enhanced since you were in puberty no?

when did u start mewing

Is the sarcasm meant to be in the before and after picture as well? The angles are so different and the pictures are poor in quality. I get it that you might not have a better before but is it not possible to provide a better after?

Don't get me wrong I believe what you are claiming is possible especially that you started at such an early age and have done it for long enough. I see some convincing things in the after picture like excellent head posture and dystrophyed facial muscles, etc but really there needs to be a better after picture. 

What was your routine and how long did it take for you to see any results, and when did you see the most improvement?

Posted by: Abdulrahman

Is the sarcasm meant to be in the before and after picture as well? The angles are so different and the pictures are poor in quality. I get it that you might not have a better before but is it not possible to provide a better after?

Don't get me wrong I believe what you are claiming is possible especially that you started at such an early age and have done it for long enough. I see some convincing things in the after picture like excellent head posture and dystrophyed facial muscles, etc but really there needs to be a better after picture. 

who cares if the angles are different? in the before my head is literally craned before. i would have absolutely zero jaw in the before if i was in the same posture as the after. 

Good work! Do you know what your intermolar width was when starting, and what it is now? Seconding the request about your routine as well. I implemented some of your practices in my latest 2 years mewing and that did accelerate my progress, so it'd be interesting to find out if you do anything new or different now.

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Abdulrahman

Is the sarcasm meant to be in the before and after picture as well? The angles are so different and the pictures are poor in quality. I get it that you might not have a better before but is it not possible to provide a better after?

Don't get me wrong I believe what you are claiming is possible especially that you started at such an early age and have done it for long enough. I see some convincing things in the after picture like excellent head posture and dystrophyed facial muscles, etc but really there needs to be a better after picture. 

who cares if the angles are different? in the before my head is literally craned before. i would have absolutely zero jaw in the before if i was in the same posture as the after. 

The before is done, you can't go back in time if you don't have a better picture, but for the after you can do better. Make clearer and brighter picture so when its shown to skeptics it can earn their admiration.

Incredible results - looks like you have made even additional progress since the last time you posted your face. Thanks for checking in.

Crazy, let's hope I can get results like this at 22 years old. Also your case wasn't so bad to begin with so it must've been easier for you to mew properly

Do you "hard mew"? Insane results.  I mean, mind-blowingly crazy.

please give us a run down of your technique @neveragain

stuff like open/closed bite, tongue position/pressure, diet, exercise etc

Posted by: krollic

please give us a run down of your technique @neveragain

stuff like open/closed bite, tongue position/pressure, diet, exercise etc

 

So at this point my palate is wide enough that my entire tongue fits very comfortably on the roof of my mouth. I have posted pictures of my incisoral diastema which developed around the 16th month of mewing. It isn't ideal but teeth are becoming straighter and straighter. My mouth is always closed so there has been absolutely no tipping of these teeth. The two halves running the maxillary suture simply shifted away from each other. Now that my tongue is really remodelling the arches, I still suspect that the gap will close as my lateral incisors correct their alignment and force the teeth closer together. In fact my most recent development has been just that: gaps forming around the lateral incisors and alignment of them with the rest of my straight-ish arches. This is mid stage stuff though because I couldn't even dream of having the front of my tongue sit comfortably on my palate when I first began mewing (nor the back for that matter).

Essentially, ya, I mew really, really hard. My tongue is freakishly strong, obviously, at this point since it is pushing firmly on my palate non stop, night and day. 

You need to visualize the forces like this:

1. Your mouth is closed which will create immediate forces on the dental structures assuming your airways developed poorly.

2. You follow the advice of this site and adopt perfect physical posture. Your bodily and oral posture are uniquely connected. You will grow to 'feel' deformations and asymmetry via both paths. That is, you will be able to feel bodily malformations via your tongue and vice versa. Having adopted good bodily posture, you now find that you tongue is necessarily pushing up on your palate. This will feel extremely weird because your jaws have swung downwards. You'll notice that it becomes utterly impossible to open your mouth in this position. You will look and feel stupid for months. 

3. To balance the force you're now exerting downwards via correcting your bodily posture, you will need to "fight back" with your tongue. Your body will want this. All of your muscles are atrophied and it will be extremely uncomfortable and tiring. 

4. To balance the new force of your tongue now struggling against the weight of your well-postured skull, you will have to recruit several neck muscles and your muscles of mastication. They will naturally hypertrophy with time. 

So the simple chain is: 1. weight of skull --> balanced by force of tongue --> locked in place by force of jaw and neck muscles

The result is that you will naturally have your upper and lower arches hovering perhaps 1mm away from each other in perfect harmony. Once you master this (1 year if you're focused and not utterly deformed) you will start to see real long lasting and observable changes.

All of these forces harmonize. It will become difficult to sit for long periods of time when you start this process because your body will be excited at the thought of correcting its machinery. Listen to your body. Don't sit for hours and hours longer than necessary.  

Regarding diet: you need calories when you start this. Your nervous system will fatigue very quickly if you're starving yourself and your progress will slow. 

Posted by: Progress

Incredible results - looks like you have made even additional progress since the last time you posted your face. Thanks for checking in.

Thank you man. How have things been going for you?

@neveragain fucking awesome. I already do nearly all of this stuff. I'm becoming more and more convinced that hard-mewing is necessary for faster changes or even changes at all in some people. I know that the idea of bone being movable by the smallest of forces is thrown around (wolffs law) but to be completely honest my improvements when soft mewing were very minimal and when I hard-mew the acceleration is much more noticeable. not to mention it's very easy to forget to soft-mew but hard-mewing requires noticeable attention so it's harder to forget and cease doing it. as the tongue gets stronger this only becomes easier especially if you combine tongue chewing with tough gum for instance

very cool post dude 

Totally forgot to mention that I have on again off again chewed mastic gum during these past 18 months or so. So initially I did induce TMJ problems. I had a clicking jaw that hurt sometimes. Very sad. 

But, being the retard that I am, I decided to push through it. I hypothesized that what causes TMJ issues when chewing is actually bad development as well, namely a mandible that isn't sitting correctly and therefore isn't within the proper range of motion while chewing. 

Referring to the studies done on children that observed maxillary upswing from daily chewing of hard gum, I decided to continue chewing believing that eventually the problem would disappear as my jaws moved upward. 

I was correct, but I do not under any circumstances recommend being and idiot like me and risking permanent jaw damage for something so trivial. I've been so damn committed to getting those jaws rotating upward that I was confident I could correct the TMJ issues via more chewing. Luckily the symptoms completely subsided and now I can chew hard materials basically endlessly. 

For skeptics, understand that our robust, well-developed ancestors chewed hard foods all day everyday, greatly exceeding what an hour a day of mastic gum simulates. 

Again, don't be me and brute force your way to ascension. Be patient. Stop chewing for a month if you experience any pain then ease into it again. Let mewing do most of the work and be patient. 

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Progress

Incredible results - looks like you have made even additional progress since the last time you posted your face. Thanks for checking in.

Thank you man. How have things been going for you?

Great. Hit 42 mm inter-molar width recently and the improvements have been accelerating. Hard mewing really seems to be vital in getting the whole spine to work in unison. It's evident when sitting on a chair: instead of having to focus on keeping the back straight, you can just mew hard in the way you explained and have the torso straighten out almost magically. Once the musculature gets used to this, sitting straight is so effortless. In this way, proper mewing begins from the hips. It's one singular, force that travels from the sacrum, through the spine and ends between the jaws and the tongue. There is an old saying that hips are the seat of the soul, and it really illustrates how the face will never bloom into its full glory until the whole spinal chain is properly anchored between the hips and the palate.

I think it's critical, personally. Outer U is overrated. Inner U is where it's at. Saying this as a guy who spent too much time jaw chewing and not enough time tongue chewing. I don't enjoy tongue chewing compared to jaw chewing but the benefits are more profound

Posted by: neveragain

any questions?

The before pic was taken when you were 15, but is that when u started mewing or was it later i.e 18, 19?

Amazing results btw, by far the best on any forum in existence 

Posted by: Progress

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Progress

Incredible results - looks like you have made even additional progress since the last time you posted your face. Thanks for checking in.

Thank you man. How have things been going for you?

Great. Hit 42 mm inter-molar width recently and the improvements have been accelerating. Hard mewing really seems to be vital in getting the whole spine to work in unison. It's evident when sitting on a chair: instead of having to focus on keeping the back straight, you can just mew hard in the way you explained and have the torso straighten out almost magically. Once the musculature gets used to this, sitting straight is so effortless. In this way, proper mewing begins from the hips. It's one singular, force that travels from the sacrum, through the spine and ends between the jaws and the tongue. There is an old saying that hips are the seat of the soul, and it really illustrates how the face will never bloom into its full glory until the whole spinal chain is properly anchored between the hips and the palate.

beautiful man. i wonder if i will ever get to see pics of you one day  😋 

I'm going to see a myofunctional therapist about this, but it seems like you've mastered this aspect but you didn't touch on it; Lip posture. What did you do specifically to help seal your lips? I personally can swallow properly but have issues gathering saliva for swallowing without using my bottom lip to suck in the saliva. I also engage my mentalis heavily to join my lips so my upper lip is probably atrophied. 

Posted by: ben

Ever since I've come across your posts on both this forum and Break the Matrix, I've been dying to ask you a few burning questions of mine. Your changes are absolutely impeccable, and if it weren't for you, I might not have decided to pursue my postural fantasies. Your dedication seriously shows. Congratulations on all that you've accomplished so far!

1. In fixing your entire posture, what other changes—both physical and mental—have you experienced? Are you now able to exercise without breathing through your mouth?

2. Do you advocate sleeping on the floor, or on any other solid, compact surface for that matter? I've adjusted to sleeping on my living room floor, and my next goal is to teach myself how to sleep in a healthy posture (i.e. chin tuck, elongation of the neck, etc.) with the aid of a thin pillow. Eventually, I plan to remove that pillow entirely. Any tips or suggestions?

3. At the beginning of your entire experience, how did you manage to focus on these postural changes with everything else happening around you? I assume you were in high school when you began. I find that this is the most difficult action to successfully maneuver. 

4. Are you familiar with MK-677? I'm seriously entertaining the idea of taking a high daily dosage to dramatically boost my growth hormone levels. This isn't the only supplement I've been sniffing around, but at my age (I'm 19, by the way) I believe this could expedite these positive changes I seek. 

5. I recognize that you briefly dabbled in the infamous belt-pulling practice, which you subsequently denounced. However, what are your thoughts regarding Plato's helmet-pulling technique? Do you believe this action could positively aid the overall efforts to correct one's posture? 

I have so many more questions, but I truly don't want to bombard or overwhelm you. You've inspired a lot of users on this forum; you're living proof that significant changes can be accomplished in late-adolescence/early adulthood. I hope you continue to kick ass!

Thanks for the kind words. 

1. I experience less brain fog after waking up and require less sleep. I don't need to mouthbreathe anytime really. Stairs, running, exercising, etc, all through nose. I'm largely allergy free now. I used to spend fall and winter completely stuffed up and unable to breathe through my nose, going through boxes of tissues like a pubescent boy. This is simply no longer the case. 

2. I personally sleep without a pillow underneath my head. It's the only way that I can sort of tuck my jaws into my chest and seal my mouth for the night. 

3. Truthfully I was in a really bad place when I started in terms of my identity and such. I hated what I was studying in my first year of uni and ended up taking a year off. I made my postural changes both in and out of school. 

4. I'm familiar with but not well-versed in the efficacy of MK-677. I think that at 19 you can release plenty of GH by eating, sleeping and exercising well. 

5. Belt facepulling helped me gain intuition into the workings of my body. Similar to the mind-body phenomenon often emphasized for making progress in the gym, facepulling taught my body to recognize beneficial forces and movements within my skull. I don't regret it at all but I still don't recommend it. 

are you saying that if you don't do a chin-tuck whilst sleeping your mouth opens? how much of an issue is sleep-mewing for you and if it's not anymore, at what point were you able to do sleep-mewing

Excuse my unfamiliarity with this case, but could someone post links to the previous updates that have been mentioned from both this forum and BTM?

legend

Been waiting to see something like this. I think this will motivate everyone on here to go hard. You said you hard mew? Do you have a routine? Would you just push your tongue up as hard as you can for as long as you can?

Keillor I don’t think hard mewing changes the bones but I believe it makes the tongue much stronger which in turn naturally moves the pallete

Any tips on procilining the front incisors? I have a 40 mm pallete but I haven’t an overbite cause my front teeth are so retroclined maybe the front isn’t expanded?

Utterly impressed by your progress. At what age did you actually start mewing? Also, around what percentage was your body fat in the before picture and at what is it now?

Posted by: neveragain

2. I personally sleep without a pillow underneath my head. It's the only way that I can sort of tuck my jaws into my chest and seal my mouth for the night. 

Do you always sleep on your back?

Do you sleep with your upper and lower teeth in light contact or are they separated by a tiny distance?

When you mew with force during the days, do you usually keep your upper and lower teeth in light contact or are they separated by a tiny distance?

Thanks a lot for sharing your info/experience.

Have you ever recorded your Mew indicator line?

Of course it works for teenagers, but for people in 20+, a whole nother issue

Posted by: EddieMoney

Have you ever recorded your Mew indicator line?

just measured now, my nose tip is bulbous but I get anywhere from 41 to 44mm.

Best way to measure @neveragain is to place the ruler on your bottom incisors and then take a pic so you can actually see where the furthest nose tip is.

And nose shape doesn't matter as Mew lines are based on averages of multiple types of noses. If you see the pic below you can see that with two very different nose types the Mew line of these two men would be very similar

Posted by: ben

Hope this helps!

Thanks ben! Now I remember seeing some of these other posts. It might be a good idea for neveragain to make one summary post in the results thread.

incredible results. Can you post some pics from the front as well?

Holy shit, you're a legend on lookism, i gotta take this opportunity to ask:
1. did you have dark under eye before mewing and if so did mewing help?
2. do you spread your tongue against your teeth or just push straight up
3. when did you first realize that you had ascended? what was going on at the time?
and
4. how many times have you been cold approached by girls?

Posted by: hiamspoderman

Holy shit, you're a legend on lookism, i gotta take this opportunity to ask:
1. did you have dark under eye before mewing and if so did mewing help?
2. do you spread your tongue against your teeth or just push straight up
3. when did you first realize that you had ascended? what was going on at the time?
and
4. how many times have you been cold approached by girls?

1. Slightly and yes. My skin tone is amazing now.

2. Read my post on page 1. Naturally both should occur.

3. All of my friends kept claiming I looked different/better but couldn't pinpoint why. I was shocked at how candid they were. This was after maybe 6 months of mewing and 3 months of facepulling.

4. During daytime/class maybe 6 times. Some were blatantly like "hey you're really cute, do you have a gf?" but that sort of thing is almost impossibly rare. During drinking events/going out I've lost count of the number of times girls have approached and propositioned me for hookups. Pre-mewing and chewing this count = 0.

Really glad for your progress. I want to ask you a few questions.

As you push upwards constantly, do you do so with your upper and lower teeth in contact or do you let them be slightly separated? I find myself that I tend to want to have them slightly separated when I actively push upwards.

Do you sleep with your upper and lower teeth in contact or slightly separated?

Do you always sleep on your back?

What age did you start mewing?

What is it like to become handsome? (Not just with respect to hooking up)

Posted by: test151515

Really glad for your progress. I want to ask you a few questions.

As you push upwards constantly, do you do so with your upper and lower teeth in contact or do you let them be slightly separated? I find myself that I tend to want to have them slightly separated when I actively push upwards.

Do you sleep with your upper and lower teeth in contact or slightly separated?

Do you always sleep on your back?

The teeth are never in direct contact except when I intermittently clench my jaw to relieve pressure/stiffness. 

My teeth only ever hover 1mm away from each other. 

I actually only sleep on my side. 

Posted by: Silver

What is it like to become handsome? (Not just with respect to hooking up)

I wouldn't really describe myself as handsome tbh but improving my looks means some people will treat you way better, a decent number will be very dismissive of you and basically leer at you until you approach and speak to them. At that point they become shy. I'm also quite tall at 6'2 with a deep voice and naturally larger frame so I tend to induce a certain degree of stress in certain men/women. 

Posted by: megamandude

What age did you start mewing?

I was 18 years old. 

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Silver

What is it like to become handsome? (Not just with respect to hooking up)

I wouldn't really describe myself as handsome tbh but improving my looks means some people will treat you way better, a decent number will be very dismissive of you and basically leer at you until you approach and speak to them. At that point they become shy. I'm also quite tall at 6'2 with a deep voice and naturally larger frame so I tend to induce a certain degree of stress in certain men/women. 

Ah, that's cool! Good for you, man.

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Silver

What is it like to become handsome? (Not just with respect to hooking up)

I wouldn't really describe myself as handsome tbh but improving my looks means some people will treat you way better, a decent number will be very dismissive of you and basically leer at you until you approach and speak to them. At that point they become shy. I'm also quite tall at 6'2 with a deep voice and naturally larger frame so I tend to induce a certain degree of stress in certain men/women. 

You know it's crazy how differently people treat you.. I'm not as far along in my journey (been mewing like 4 months, but have had dramatic change for the timespan) and I've even noticed the shift in how people perceive me, generally speaking. It may be a combination of factors (like how changing your posture makes people perceive you more positively when you stand up straight), but I think the majority of the reason is because of how much healthier and better my face looks. People who haven't seen me in years mention that I look great and healthy and if you know my health history, its anything but that. But the point is, it definitely changes a lot. I'm excited what my persistent hardmewing will result in, come a few years considering how awesome your changes were. 

Hi jamo! I dont have any questions to ask, the questions i would have liked to ask are already asked by others, but i would like to thank you for appearing here and giving us hope and stimuli to move on with mewing! Im happy for you and happy for myself because from now on im going to mew like crazy :)) GREAT results!! 

so to sum up in terms of technique.. please tell me if i'm getting this wrong

1. huge tongue pressure forwards, upwards and outwards across as much of the palate as possible

2. teeth not in contact when mewing

3. strong spine/neck/head/chin tuck posture to not only counteract the forces of the tongue but to FORCE the tongue to create lots of pressure in order to counteract this body posture and keep the teeth apart

4. tongue at the "tip" i.e behind incisors at all stages of development?

5. suction hold?

6. mouth always closed when possible and lips in a relaxed/touching state

7. don't get overzealous with gum chewing if you experience pain. tongue strength is more important

8. doesn't rate beltpulling highly as a treatment but is good for understanding bodily mechanisms

9. side sleep and don't use a pillow. i'll have to experiment with this but personally it makes my head uncomfortable and cold. will have to evaluate if the slight improvement in chintucking is worth sacrificing comfort

10. be very tall and have a deep voice + imposing frame

do you think that the huge tongue pressure speeds up the rate of development due to pressure alone or would you say that having a very strong tongue means it's more likely that your tongue will be pressing more consistently/less likely to fall off of the palate.

personally i do all of these things except the pillow and teeth apart. I've always clenched my teeth and now i'm starting to get mad because i think it has been a big reason my progress has slowed down cuz it limits lateral teeth movement

Posted by: krollic

so to sum up in terms of technique.. please tell me if i'm getting this wrong

1. huge tongue pressure forwards, upwards and outwards across as much of the palate as possible

2. teeth not in contact when mewing

3. strong spine/neck/head/chin tuck posture to not only counteract the forces of the tongue but to FORCE the tongue to create lots of pressure in order to counteract this body posture and keep the teeth apart

4. tongue at the "tip" i.e behind incisors at all stages of development?

5. suction hold?

6. mouth always closed when possible and lips in a relaxed/touching state

7. don't get overzealous with gum chewing if you experience pain. tongue strength is more important

8. doesn't rate beltpulling highly as a treatment but is good for understanding bodily mechanisms

9. side sleep and don't use a pillow. i'll have to experiment with this but personally it makes my head uncomfortable and cold. will have to evaluate if the slight improvement in chintucking is worth sacrificing comfort

10. be very tall and have a deep voice + imposing frame

do you think that the huge tongue pressure speeds up the rate of development due to pressure alone or would you say that having a very strong tongue means it's more likely that your tongue will be pressing more consistently/less likely to fall off of the palate.

 

personally i do all of these things except the pillow and teeth apart. I've always clenched my teeth and now i'm starting to get mad because i think it has been a big reason my progress has slowed down cuz it limits lateral teeth movement

 

 

Close but not perfect. 

The key to doing well is using good head posture aka a chin tuck to initiate and maintain the mewing as the force to withstand via the tongue. There is no need to suction your tongue to the roof. 

we need more discussion on the suction hold but unfortunately i'm not well versed with it

@eddiemoney 

some people here + mike mew / hornsby etc say that the post palate suction hold is important for rotating the maxilla forward/upward and keeping the posterior third up 

@neveragain could you address my question below (10. plz? cheers

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Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Silver

What is it like to become handsome? (Not just with respect to hooking up)

I wouldn't really describe myself as handsome tbh but improving my looks means some people will treat you way better, a decent number will be very dismissive of you and basically leer at you until you approach and speak to them. At that point they become shy. I'm also quite tall at 6'2 with a deep voice and naturally larger frame so I tend to induce a certain degree of stress in certain men/women. 

You know it's crazy how differently people treat you.. I'm not as far along in my journey (been mewing like 4 months, but have had dramatic change for the timespan) and I've even noticed the shift in how people perceive me, generally speaking. It may be a combination of factors (like how changing your posture makes people perceive you more positively when you stand up straight), but I think the majority of the reason is because of how much healthier and better my face looks. People who haven't seen me in years mention that I look great and healthy and if you know my health history, its anything but that. But the point is, it definitely changes a lot. I'm excited what my persistent hardmewing will result in, come a few years considering how awesome your changes were. 

4 months for this level of change is awesome.  What's your routine? Are you hard mewing like Jamo as well?

Once you get really conscious about your body, neck and tongue posture like Jamo said, then you'll start seeing results - It was hard for me in the begin and failed keeping this up for a long enough time for my body's sutures to open, muscles to be balanced for proper support of the bones. In the end it's the muscles that's keeps the bones at place. 

You do the same when you go to the gym, if your posture is bad you train the incorrect muscles and start to deteriorate your body, just like incorrect posture of the neck and face muscles does to that part of your skeletal structure.

I've removed the retainer wire behind my front (never had one for the bottom teeth) and now my tongue is making it get in place much easier, I don't recommend doing this if your muscles aren't balanced the way it should, not holding the skeletal structure the way that's most beneficial for your other organs and  - because our genetic code of bones and muscles are designed so that we can adapt to our environment making us more durable and survive longer, because that's what the body wants in the end, be it consciously or subconsciously.

I've got something to think about - aka a question: I've actually tried to measure my tongue length horizontally, which is 50 mm right now. My IMW is 43 mm right now. It used to be 39 mm.  I suppose this would be my genetic limit for my palate size, what do you guys think? Do you guys think if the muscle gets stronger it'll increase much in size too? or will it get flatter and increase the width (horizontal length) pushing on the roof of the mouth.

And by the way Jamo you looking real good man, no homo hahah. I remember you from BreakTM, love the information you sharing, while showing your results. Hopefully it'll motivate people enough to be conscious about this and be disciplined enough to keep it up long enough till your subconscious (in this case the bones n muscles) takes over.

whats your time frame/ starting age? im assuming late teens right?

Posted by: gubbbbb

whats your time frame/ starting age? im assuming late teens right?

Ionno if dis was to me or Jamo, but Jamo said he started at 18 y/o.

I started 3 years ago, 21 y/o. --> 2 years on n off --> 23 y/o until now 24y/o I started taking this more seriously: sitting in good posture. I've been working out the muscles that are good for posture - AthleanX on youtube has many good videos about postural muscle training.

Chintucked started 6 months ago, stretching the back of the neck, which feels great to be honest - it gets the tongue against the roof really hard for me and the harder i push my tongue the more i felt the muscles in my neck stretching at the begin.

Posted by: krollic

we need more discussion on the suction hold but unfortunately i'm not well versed with it

@eddiemoney 

some people here + mike mew / hornsby etc say that the post palate suction hold is important for rotating the maxilla forward/upward and keeping the posterior third up 

@neveragain could you address my question below (10. plz? cheers

Lol, hopefully both man. 

You have to reach a point where your body wants to get better, and you'll know when you've reached it. Nothing in nature is designed to make you less healthy. If you were healthy as a kid with wide airways and you don't have those now, it's not your genes, it's the environment. 

Damn i guess i mustve been wrong about mewing teeth slightly together ill try to follow those ten steps and see how i do. @krollic you might have a point with the jaw closed i could see how it could restrict expansion maybe keeping bite closed is a minor form of clenching which might mean the jaw is doing too much work and the tongue should be doing more

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: krollic

we need more discussion on the suction hold but unfortunately i'm not well versed with it

@eddiemoney 

some people here + mike mew / hornsby etc say that the post palate suction hold is important for rotating the maxilla forward/upward and keeping the posterior third up 

@neveragain could you address my question below (10. plz? cheers

Lol, hopefully both man. 

You have to reach a point where your body wants to get better, and you'll know when you've reached it. Nothing in nature is designed to make you less healthy. If you were healthy as a kid with wide airways and you don't have those now, it's not your genes, it's the environment. 

Jamo, I started hard mewing again after reading your posts.  Question - when I push with my tongue, my digastric muscle (the muscle beneath the chin) hyptertrophies.  I'm worried this will give me double chin if I keep working it.  Is this a concern? Am I doing it wrong?

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Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: krollic

we need more discussion on the suction hold but unfortunately i'm not well versed with it

@eddiemoney 

some people here + mike mew / hornsby etc say that the post palate suction hold is important for rotating the maxilla forward/upward and keeping the posterior third up 

@neveragain could you address my question below (10. plz? cheers

Lol, hopefully both man. 

You have to reach a point where your body wants to get better, and you'll know when you've reached it. Nothing in nature is designed to make you less healthy. If you were healthy as a kid with wide airways and you don't have those now, it's not your genes, it's the environment. 

Jamo, I started hard mewing again after reading your posts.  Question - when I push with my tongue, my digastric muscle (the muscle beneath the chin) hyptertrophies.  I'm worried this will give me double chin if I keep working it.  Is this a concern? Am I doing it wrong?

That can definitely happen. It's probably not ideal. If you most of the (upward) force is coming from the chin tuck you should be able to mitigate this effect. 

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Posted by: neveragain

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we need more discussion on the suction hold but unfortunately i'm not well versed with it

@eddiemoney 

some people here + mike mew / hornsby etc say that the post palate suction hold is important for rotating the maxilla forward/upward and keeping the posterior third up 

@neveragain could you address my question below (10. plz? cheers

Lol, hopefully both man. 

You have to reach a point where your body wants to get better, and you'll know when you've reached it. Nothing in nature is designed to make you less healthy. If you were healthy as a kid with wide airways and you don't have those now, it's not your genes, it's the environment. 

Jamo, I started hard mewing again after reading your posts.  Question - when I push with my tongue, my digastric muscle (the muscle beneath the chin) hyptertrophies.  I'm worried this will give me double chin if I keep working it.  Is this a concern? Am I doing it wrong?

That can definitely happen. It's probably not ideal. If you most of the (upward) force is coming from the chin tuck you should be able to mitigate this effect. 

Thanks for the response.  I just tried it w/ chin tuck and it's definitely lessened at least a bit.  I'll keep going this way.

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Posted by: Silver

What is it like to become handsome? (Not just with respect to hooking up)

I wouldn't really describe myself as handsome tbh but improving my looks means some people will treat you way better, a decent number will be very dismissive of you and basically leer at you until you approach and speak to them. At that point they become shy. I'm also quite tall at 6'2 with a deep voice and naturally larger frame so I tend to induce a certain degree of stress in certain men/women. 

You know it's crazy how differently people treat you.. I'm not as far along in my journey (been mewing like 4 months, but have had dramatic change for the timespan) and I've even noticed the shift in how people perceive me, generally speaking. It may be a combination of factors (like how changing your posture makes people perceive you more positively when you stand up straight), but I think the majority of the reason is because of how much healthier and better my face looks. People who haven't seen me in years mention that I look great and healthy and if you know my health history, its anything but that. But the point is, it definitely changes a lot. I'm excited what my persistent hardmewing will result in, come a few years considering how awesome your changes were. 

4 months for this level of change is awesome.  What's your routine? Are you hard mewing like Jamo as well?

Yeah, I've had some pretty dramatic change in about 4-5 months. I've been hard-mewing and it's been a 24/7 conscious effort to change myself. I think I'm genetically supposed to have pretty forward, robust bones so that may be playing a role. My gf is drooling over me.

Hey did your face get wider and shorter from this transformation, and if so what was the FWHR improvement.

Did you not feel soreness where the chin meets the neck then?

You really inspire me to keep fighting bro, my question is did you at any phase get a really sore tongue when pushing the tongue against the teeth? The back of my tongue gets really sore when I mew because my teeth are slicing it. 

Sorry if my english is bad, I'm from Finland. 

how is your bite now? seems like you had a class III bite before

Posted by: Slinky

how is your bite now? seems like you had a class III bite before

lol my bite is legit slightly class two atm :/ , pouty, rapidly growing upper lip 

Jamo/ Never again i have a few questions for you

1.Do you think theres any differences in mewing with a slightly closed bite compared to an open bite? Ive experimented both but since i have a deep bite im not sure if i should do it closed or not. I feel this halts a lot of my progress because i cant stick to one thing.

2. So in your opinion it seems the most important part of mewing is to hard mew/ tongue chew correct? i just would like to know what to focus on to achieve perfect tongue posture.

3. Just any tips/ tricks you have? did you hard mew all the time or did you do it intermittently? (tongue pushups)? if not what do you think of tongue pushups do you think they will help you just as much and hard mewing?

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Jamo/ Never again i have a few questions for you

1.Do you think theres any differences in mewing with a slightly closed bite compared to an open bite? Ive experimented both but since i have a deep bite im not sure if i should do it closed or not. I feel this halts a lot of my progress because i cant stick to one thing.

2. So in your opinion it seems the most important part of mewing is to hard mew/ tongue chew correct? i just would like to know what to focus on to achieve perfect tongue posture.

3. Just any tips/ tricks you have? did you hard mew all the time or did you do it intermittently? (tongue pushups)? if not what do you think of tongue pushups do you think they will help you just as much and hard mewing?

1. You have to sort of figure this out by trial. All I can say is that for me I am able to mew optimally with my teeth hovering around 1mm apart. Sorry, it's just a tough thing to answer since each bite is going to be different. 

2. I have always mewed hard, with discrete, exercised force applied upwards and laterally. Not sure what you mean by tongue chewing, though. Focus on your bodily posture in order to initiate the mewing. Read my long post earlier to understand what I mean. 

3. Always listen to your body. Become really good at understanding intuitively where forces need to be applied. You have to really think it through at first. 

I never mewed intermittently. It was always for as long as possible until it became totally natural. 

Hi neveragain. First of all, congratulations for the exceptional change, I'd say you basically mewed your way through puberty.

I'd like to ask you a couple questions:

1) What other lifestyle changes do you think have been essential to your development? 

2) Did you experience any other kind of growth? e.g.: becoming taller, growing more beard, other face changes that make you look older, etc. ? I'm asking because since you began while still young, I suppose natural hormones played a big role in your development. 

3) Did you take any supplement? I have read that D3+K2 combo is highly suggested for bone remodeling.

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Hi neveragain. First of all, congratulations for the exceptional change, I'd say you basically mewed your way through puberty.

I'd like to ask you a couple questions:

1) What other lifestyle changes do you think have been essential to your development? 

2) Did you experience any other kind of growth? e.g.: becoming taller, growing more beard, other face changes that make you look older, etc. ? I'm asking because since you began while still young, I suppose natural hormones played a big role in your development. 

3) Did you take any supplement? I have read that D3+K2 combo is highly suggested for bone remodeling.

1. exercising thought I haven't been consistent.

2. I grew a bit from 18-21 (the time I started mewing), my facial hair hasn't really change though  😑 

3. I did use both of those vitamins though not in doses that most people would consider effective for bone remodeling. Now I opt to source these vitamins through diet alone. 

Yeah I also think that megadosing vitamins is a bit of an exaggeration.
Another question that I forgot: did you change your sleeping habits? Do you sleep on your back, with/without pillow, etc

You said perfect posture is essential. How long did it take you to stop looking like a crazy person?

Hey neveragain, sorry for bombarding you with questions but I'm legitimately curious. 

Did your face morph affect the tone of your voice? 

Since the voice resonates in the "mask" I'd expect that a change in the mouth and nose shape should affect it 

Please give me your advice, I've only been hard mewing for a couple of weeks and now I'm expiriencing pain in the masseter muscles. I'm worried that it's an early symptom of TMJ. I don't think there is any hope for me if I can't "hard mew" without developing TMJ. I could take a pause from mewing but I think that once I start again the pain comes back. I've also developed tinnitus which I read is a symptom of TMJ. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Posted by: Halti.H

Please give me your advice, I've only been hard mewing for a couple of weeks and now I'm expiriencing pain in the masseter muscles. I'm worried that it's an early symptom of TMJ. I don't think there is any hope for me if I can't "hard mew" without developing TMJ. I could take a pause from mewing but I think that once I start again the pain comes back. I've also developed tinnitus which I read is a symptom of TMJ. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

You are getting jaw pain because you are biting too hard when you mew , ur supposed to keep the teeths slightly together.

Anyway Jamo you are lucky , i mean ugliest on lookism ( or most ppls i know ) went ham too on chewing but permanently destroyed his tmj joint and he got in addition what most peoples get from over chewing : bloated face.

It seems with chewing it's really all or nothing.

Also i think u were meant to have strong bones from the get go because this guy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtywmRmXH_A    mewed too for 6 y starting at 16 but when you really look at his results you realise it's mostly huge bodyfat loss and he's still recessed from profile 

What's your take on myobrace pls?

Thanks but I don't clench my teeth at all, the pain comes from the hard mewing solely. When I push my tongue against the roof of my mouth my masseter muscles do a lot of work and contract just like they do when I clench my jaws together. 

I tried to draw a pic of what you describe:  https://imgur.com/a/XSvEPHo

is this correct? 

Posted by: Halti.H

Thanks but I don't clench my teeth at all, the pain comes from the hard mewing solely. When I push my tongue against the roof of my mouth my masseter muscles do a lot of work and contract just like they do when I clench my jaws together. 

Take a break from hard mewing, but continue mewing.  Like Jamo said, there is no such thing as "does mewing work."  Mewing is simply putting your body in alignment with what nature intended.  Not mewing means putting yourself in an unnatural position.  It's as simple as that.

You can however try stopping hard mewing.  Mewing without "hard mewing" is effective and is actually the original method Dr. Mew prescribes.  Dr. Mew has never advocated hard mewing (yet).  So don't give up simply because you can't "hard mew."  Be patient and let normal mewing widen your palate, etc.  Once you're more comfortable, you can gradually try "hard mewing" again.

yeah i swallow with way better form  when i do the chin tuck i just look like a sexy rat when i do it

Posted by: neveragain

Posted by: Slinky

how is your bite now? seems like you had a class III bite before

lol my bite is legit slightly class two atm :/ , pouty, rapidly growing upper lip 

Unbelievable results. I also have class III malocclusion and this inspires me not to give up

Thanks for the advice man, that's sounds like a logical plan. I just hope that I'll be able to hard mew without destroying my jaw since I believe it's the only way to make significant changes happen without multiple years. 

Posted by: neveragain

So at this point my palate is wide enough that my entire tongue fits very comfortably on the roof of my mouth. I have posted pictures of my incisoral diastema which developed around the 16th month of mewing. It isn't ideal but teeth are becoming straighter and straighter. My mouth is always closed so there has been absolutely no tipping of these teeth. The two halves running the maxillary suture simply shifted away from each other. Now that my tongue is really remodelling the arches, I still suspect that the gap will close as my lateral incisors correct their alignment and force the teeth closer together. In fact my most recent development has been just that: gaps forming around the lateral incisors and alignment of them with the rest of my straight-ish arches. This is mid stage stuff though because I couldn't even dream of having the front of my tongue sit comfortably on my palate when I first began mewing (nor the back for that matter).

neveragain,

Thanks for sharing your success and answering questions about your experience. I have only been mewing for about two weeks now, but have been going at it pretty hard. I have no idea about measurements, but it feels like my upper arch has already expanded quite a bit. Keeps rebounding back and forth, which is frustrating, but the trend is good.

I find that I've also already created a slight gap between my top two front teeth. As quoted above, you said that mewing created a gap between your front teeth as well. Is there a particular type of force you are applying while mewing to bring these teeth back together?

It is hard to imagine that my small gap was created by the splitting of the maxilla this early on in my journey. Maybe the expanding of my intermolar width has just created some spacing. I don't know. If you have any thoughts I would be glad to hear them.

Thanks.

hey there, I'm 15 and I was wondering if I should do thumb face pulling or just stick with mewing.And also how were you able to correct your body posture?

One more question that popped in my mind: What's your diet Jamo? Any special foods that your eating?

im also 15 I've been mewing for like 2 months with small changes this gives me so much hope, I'm in the same exact position as you! wish me luck!!!!!!!! 

when did you hit puberty?

I would be grateful for an answer.

Did you see a change in the size or shape of your eyes?

Thats coo mane wish u luck.

Behind my front teeth theres an inch to where my palate starts to curve to where I can actually place my tongue. This makes it so I am not placing the tip of the tongue on the incisive papilla/palatine rugae. Is this still ok as long as im driving the maxilla up and forwards, because theres no way I can put the tip right behind my front teeth and and also put the rest of the tongue on the roof of the mouth.

Any advice? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thank you.

Posted by: Sorrow

Behind my front teeth theres an inch to where my palate starts to curve to where I can actually place my tongue. This makes it so I am not placing the tip of the tongue on the incisive papilla/palatine rugae. Is this still ok as long as im driving the maxilla up and forwards, because theres no way I can put the tip right behind my front teeth and and also put the rest of the tongue on the roof of the mouth.

 

Any advice? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thank you.

Honestly I don't quite get what you mean with the curve. 

• can you see theres a whole inch where I can not put my tongue? Right behind thr incisors. I can put the tip there. but then the rest cant fit, so its either one way or another.
•  
• Hope this helps it is a little confusing to understand.

Look like a different person all together wow!

Can you breathe when you hard mew I can only push a tiny bit before I close my soft palate, or maybe you push hard on the hard palate but lightly on the soft. When I mew I seem to leave the front 1/2 of the tounge just to hang and barely make contact, maybe this is wrong? I'm 15 and a victim of mouthbreating so I would hope to achieve results as tremendous as yours! I have very small/no results so far within 2 -3 months I hope someone can help me.

Don't understand why OP uploaded a picture of himself at 15 when he began mewing at 19 till 21, everyone knows face bones grow rapidly from 15 to 20. 

Looking at the nose there's barely a difference in upswing, OP just grew bigger bones, took a haircut and leaned his jaw forward. I'd say the good bone growth came from chewing and puberty, not mewing. 

Posted by: auxiliary7

Don't understand why OP uploaded a picture of himself at 15 when he began mewing at 19 till 21, everyone knows face bones grow rapidly from 15 to 20. 

Looking at the nose there's barely a difference in upswing, OP just grew bigger bones, took a haircut and leaned his jaw forward. I'd say the good bone growth came from chewing, not mewing. 

are you retarded or trolling hard? lmao

Posted by: auxiliary7

Don't understand why OP uploaded a picture of himself at 15 when he began mewing at 19 till 21, everyone knows face bones grow rapidly from 15 to 20. 

Looking at the nose there's barely a difference in upswing, OP just grew bigger bones, took a haircut and leaned his jaw forward. I'd say the good bone growth came from chewing, not mewing. 

Placing the back third of the tongue on the soft palate and having a good swallowing function stimulates the pituitary gland (via stimulation/rotation of the sphenoid bone), which produces growth hormone. 

So I consider tongue position as first in the priority list of mewing (without forgetting good skull-spinal alignment). Thats why Mike Mew recommends tongue chewing as well.

Having strong mandible and lip muscles with a weaker tongue is not good. And I dont think its possible to get such good results just with chewing.

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Posted by: auxiliary7

Don't understand why OP uploaded a picture of himself at 15 when he began mewing at 19 till 21, everyone knows face bones grow rapidly from 15 to 20. 

Looking at the nose there's barely a difference in upswing, OP just grew bigger bones, took a haircut and leaned his jaw forward. I'd say the good bone growth came from chewing, not mewing. 

Placing the back third of the tongue on the soft palate and having a good swallowing function stimulates the pituitary gland (via stimulation/rotation of the sphenoid bone), which produces growth hormone. 

So I consider tongue position as first in the priority list of mewing (without forgetting good skull-spinal alignment). Thats why Mike Mew recommends tongue chewing as well.

Having strong mandible and lip muscles with a weaker tongue is not good. And I dont think its possible to get such good results just with chewing.

There isn't any proof that mewing stimulates pituitary gland at all. Anecdotal evidence from myself who mouth breathed a lot and didn't swallow properly refutes what you said I have unusually big ears, nose, hands, height, rib size and knee width for someone my age and especially my race. Luckily I live in Holland I'm pretty normal here, slightly above average in length. 

Also I'm just arguing he should've posted a picture of himself at 18-19, not 15, since that's the time he started mewing. Puberty hits pretty hard at 15, especially between 15-20 and all the way to 25.

Posted by: Sorrow

• can you see theres a whole inch where I can not put my tongue? Right behind thr incisors. I can put the tip there. but then the rest cant fit, so its either one way or another.
•  
• Hope this helps it is a little confusing to understand.

Just focus on engaging the posterior third. Don't worry about the front yet. I was in the same situation myself

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Posted by: Halti.H

Please give me your advice, I've only been hard mewing for a couple of weeks and now I'm expiriencing pain in the masseter muscles. I'm worried that it's an early symptom of TMJ. I don't think there is any hope for me if I can't "hard mew" without developing TMJ. I could take a pause from mewing but I think that once I start again the pain comes back. I've also developed tinnitus which I read is a symptom of TMJ. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

You are getting jaw pain because you are biting too hard when you mew , ur supposed to keep the teeths slightly together.

 

Anyway Jamo you are lucky , i mean ugliest on lookism ( or most ppls i know ) went ham too on chewing but permanently destroyed his tmj joint and he got in addition what most peoples get from over chewing : bloated face.

It seems with chewing it's really all or nothing.

Also i think u were meant to have strong bones from the get go because this guy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtywmRmXH_A    mewed too for 6 y starting at 16 but when you really look at his results you realise it's mostly huge bodyfat loss and he's still recessed from profile 

What's your take on myobrace pls?

That guy has developed masseters and a naturally small mandible. All the forward growth in the world cannot change that

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Posted by: FioraLaurent

Posted by: Halti.H

Please give me your advice, I've only been hard mewing for a couple of weeks and now I'm expiriencing pain in the masseter muscles. I'm worried that it's an early symptom of TMJ. I don't think there is any hope for me if I can't "hard mew" without developing TMJ. I could take a pause from mewing but I think that once I start again the pain comes back. I've also developed tinnitus which I read is a symptom of TMJ. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

You are getting jaw pain because you are biting too hard when you mew , ur supposed to keep the teeths slightly together.

 

Anyway Jamo you are lucky , i mean ugliest on lookism ( or most ppls i know ) went ham too on chewing but permanently destroyed his tmj joint and he got in addition what most peoples get from over chewing : bloated face.

It seems with chewing it's really all or nothing.

Also i think u were meant to have strong bones from the get go because this guy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtywmRmXH_A    mewed too for 6 y starting at 16 but when you really look at his results you realise it's mostly huge bodyfat loss and he's still recessed from profile 

What's your take on myobrace pls?

That guy has developed masseters and a naturally small mandible. All the forward growth in the world cannot change that

What? His mandible looks great for 22. His maxilla is also in a good position, good upswing, he looks great overall and honestly I think mewing and especially chewing + good posture helped that happen.

Also he chews daily, he doesn't only mew. That's an important point.

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Posted by: auxiliary7

Don't understand why OP uploaded a picture of himself at 15 when he began mewing at 19 till 21, everyone knows face bones grow rapidly from 15 to 20. 

Looking at the nose there's barely a difference in upswing, OP just grew bigger bones, took a haircut and leaned his jaw forward. I'd say the good bone growth came from chewing, not mewing. 

Placing the back third of the tongue on the soft palate and having a good swallowing function stimulates the pituitary gland (via stimulation/rotation of the sphenoid bone), which produces growth hormone. 

So I consider tongue position as first in the priority list of mewing (without forgetting good skull-spinal alignment). Thats why Mike Mew recommends tongue chewing as well.

Having strong mandible and lip muscles with a weaker tongue is not good. And I dont think its possible to get such good results just with chewing.

There isn't any proof that mewing stimulates pituitary gland at all. Anecdotal evidence from myself who mouth breathed a lot and didn't swallow properly refutes what you said I have unusually big ears, nose, hands, height, rib size and knee width for someone my age and especially my race. Luckily I live in Holland I'm pretty normal here, slightly above average in length. 

 

Also I'm just arguing he should've posted a picture of himself at 18-19, not 15, since that's the time he started mewing. Puberty hits pretty hard at 15, especially between 15-20 and all the way to 25.

What I wrote was more directed to what you said about his results not being thanks to placing the tongue in the right position. Only chewing. I think both are important.

And on the pituitary gland stimulation, I am no expert. I just quoted Joy Moeller, who has almost 40 years of experience as a Myofunctional therapist and is well known. I think she knows what she is talking about. I wish I knew where she learned that. But I agree there don't seem to be a lot of studies about that, so it would be great if there was more research - at least easier to find. But even if there is not proof (that we both know of, yet), it doesn't mean it isn't true.

And ok, it was a bad example just to mention the growth hormone as there are many others -some which also inhibit this hormone. And when I mentioned it, I was thinking more about bone growth not ear/nose/ hand size. The idea is to have regulation/balance of hormones, not over production (which causes big nose, big ears, big foot). The inhibitors should prevent/control that. 

I also think, if trauma to the brain (during development) can cause hypopituitarism (especially growth and sex hormones), why can't light pressure overtime stimulate it/regulate it or in any way affect it?  

Anyways, I do understand why you argue about the before foto not being at 18/19. 

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Posted by: Halti.H

Please give me your advice, I've only been hard mewing for a couple of weeks and now I'm expiriencing pain in the masseter muscles. I'm worried that it's an early symptom of TMJ. I don't think there is any hope for me if I can't "hard mew" without developing TMJ. I could take a pause from mewing but I think that once I start again the pain comes back. I've also developed tinnitus which I read is a symptom of TMJ. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

You are getting jaw pain because you are biting too hard when you mew , ur supposed to keep the teeths slightly together.

 

Anyway Jamo you are lucky , i mean ugliest on lookism ( or most ppls i know ) went ham too on chewing but permanently destroyed his tmj joint and he got in addition what most peoples get from over chewing : bloated face.

It seems with chewing it's really all or nothing.

Also i think u were meant to have strong bones from the get go because this guy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtywmRmXH_A    mewed too for 6 y starting at 16 but when you really look at his results you realise it's mostly huge bodyfat loss and he's still recessed from profile 

What's your take on myobrace pls?

That guy has developed masseters and a naturally small mandible. All the forward growth in the world cannot change that

What? His mandible looks great for 22. His maxilla is also in a good position, good upswing, he looks great overall and honestly I think mewing and especially chewing + good posture helped that happen.

Also he chews daily, he doesn't only mew. That's an important point.

I don't see where I said he has no upswing or doesn't look good. Of course his masseters are wide and developed from chewing a lot.

I am saying he has a small mandible (not even saying that is unaesthetic) based on how pouty and ahead of his chin his upper lip is. People with large mandibles and good upswing have their chin ahead of their upper lip in profile whereas his small mandible prevents that, even with a good Mew line. 

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Posted by: auxiliary7

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Posted by: auxiliary7

Don't understand why OP uploaded a picture of himself at 15 when he began mewing at 19 till 21, everyone knows face bones grow rapidly from 15 to 20. 

Looking at the nose there's barely a difference in upswing, OP just grew bigger bones, took a haircut and leaned his jaw forward. I'd say the good bone growth came from chewing, not mewing. 

Placing the back third of the tongue on the soft palate and having a good swallowing function stimulates the pituitary gland (via stimulation/rotation of the sphenoid bone), which produces growth hormone. 

So I consider tongue position as first in the priority list of mewing (without forgetting good skull-spinal alignment). Thats why Mike Mew recommends tongue chewing as well.

Having strong mandible and lip muscles with a weaker tongue is not good. And I dont think its possible to get such good results just with chewing.

There isn't any proof that mewing stimulates pituitary gland at all. Anecdotal evidence from myself who mouth breathed a lot and didn't swallow properly refutes what you said I have unusually big ears, nose, hands, height, rib size and knee width for someone my age and especially my race. Luckily I live in Holland I'm pretty normal here, slightly above average in length. 

 

Also I'm just arguing he should've posted a picture of himself at 18-19, not 15, since that's the time he started mewing. Puberty hits pretty hard at 15, especially between 15-20 and all the way to 25.

What I wrote was more directed to what you said about his results not being thanks to placing the tongue in the right position. Only chewing. I think both are important.

And on the pituitary gland stimulation, I am no expert. I just quoted Joy Moeller, who has almost 40 years of experience as a Myofunctional therapist and is well known. I think she knows what she is talking about. I wish I knew where she learned that. But I agree there don't seem to be a lot of studies about that, so it would be great if there was more research - at least easier to find. But even if there is not proof (that we both know of, yet), it doesn't mean it isn't true.

And ok, it was a bad example just to mention the growth hormone as there are many others -some which also inhibit this hormone. And when I mentioned it, I was thinking more about bone growth not ear/nose/ hand size. The idea is to have regulation/balance of hormones, not over production (which causes big nose, big ears, big foot). The inhibitors should prevent/control that. 

I also think, if trauma to the brain (during development) can cause hypopituitarism (especially growth and sex hormones), why can't light pressure overtime stimulate it/regulate it or in any way affect it?  

Anyways, I do understand why you argue about the before foto not being at 18/19. 

 

 

Ahh I understand. The reason I don't believe in the stimulation of the pituitary gland is even with a finger pushing into my soft palate I don't feel any sensation in my brain at all. It's just too far, maybe it's possible with some kind of nerve excitation of the tongue/masseters and then that somehow going into your brain. I mean if you clench your hand you can lift more weight with your legs, perhaps clenching the tongue sends some signals to the brain. 

Eddie, but what if his mandible is more laterally big than forward big, wouldn't it still be "big"? Also wouldn't the protrusion of the mandible depend more on the upswing than the size of the mandible itself. Because if you look at him yourself you see his upswing is not that great, his nose isn't uptipped. 

@auxiliary7, What do you mean by clenching the tongue? If you mean tensing it, I don't think that would be good. Tension in muscles prevents their normal activation (contraction and release) and their correct muscle tone. They also act as "dragging points", preventing bones to move freely as they should and misaligning the body. 

I personally don't think it is necessary to feel pressure/ sensations in the brain in order to know there is stimulation in the pituitary. (Feeling anything there or anywhere else depends also on how good your body awareness is, imo).  Besides, I've read this gland is very sensitive to pressure/compression, so placing the tongue and swallowing correctly where it's supposed to be would be enough to stimulate/regulate it, I guess, since they are relatively near to each other.

I think the idea is to balance your body to help it function properly, not to force it. But keep in mind I am a person who tries to avoid the "no pain, no gain" motto - if possible. 

Hi bro. Would you please be willing to talk to me? I have struggled for a long time with insecurities and I look up to you a lot. Please PM me if you would or email me at [email protected] 

All my best,

Colby 

Huh!? When I saw the picture you posted a week ago or so, I thought you were trolling. I thought it was a fake picture. It's real!? It looks like a completely different person!

Seems like amazing results. But could you post a pic from front 18 yers and today, so we could see if your midface actually shortened. You could censor your eyes, i think it would do a lot for the community.

Proper tongue posture definitley stimulates the pituitary gland. One of the first things i noticed is that when i mewed correctly even for 5 minutes I would get pretty crazy sexual urges that i dont usually get

Hey Jamo I’m hard mewing like you said but when I hard mew there’s a bulge under my chin. Should I be worried? And am I doing something wrong?

Posted by: Manveer

Hey Jamo I’m hard mewing like you said but when I hard mew there’s a bulge under my chin. Should I be worried? And am I doing something wrong?

I had that until I had my tongue tie released. Be sure you're also chin tucking

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Posted by: Manveer

Hey Jamo I’m hard mewing like you said but when I hard mew there’s a bulge under my chin. Should I be worried? And am I doing something wrong?

I had that until I had my tongue tie released. Be sure you're also chin tucking

Did you find that you were able to engage the posterior third more easily and with more force after getting your tongue tie released?

Insane results. Is there any chance I can hope for at least 50% of your results at age of 26? My parents have perfect jaws, insane I'd say, meanwhile I don't: crooked nose, dark circles, uneven brow ridge, crooked jaws. Tbh I used to be ultra ignorant when it comes to appearance and heath and now it takes it's toll. Can an orthodontist actually help with the process, with expanders and such?

Posted by: Pame

Posted by: Silver

Posted by: Manveer

Hey Jamo I’m hard mewing like you said but when I hard mew there’s a bulge under my chin. Should I be worried? And am I doing something wrong?

I had that until I had my tongue tie released. Be sure you're also chin tucking

Did you find that you were able to engage the posterior third more easily and with more force after getting your tongue tie released?

My tongue tie wasn't even that bad, and it's a completely different mouth. You have no idea the enormous difference it makes. Check out one Dr. Ghaheri's blog to make sure you're going to someone who really knows how to do it correctly. You also have to do stretches 3 times a day after the procedure to make sure it heals right

@silver hows it completley different?

also im on his blog but i cant find the article that explains how to make sure the doctors know what theyre doing cna you link that?

Thnx pame I did the chin thuck and the bulge went away completely. However, I have a tongue tie but I can still mew correctly Ex, my tongue rests comfortably on my palete with force upwards and sideways. Should I get my tongue tie fixed or just don’t bother since I could already mew? 

Posted by: Manveer

Thnx pame I did the chin thuck and the bulge went away completely. However, I have a tongue tie but I can still mew correctly Ex, my tongue rests comfortably on my palete with force upwards and sideways. Should I get my tongue tie fixed or just don’t bother since I could already mew? 

I thought I was mewing correctly for a long time before I realized I wasn't and stopped, and now that I had my tongue tie released, I realized there was no way I could have done it correctly before

Damn that’s confusing cause I feel a lot of pressure in my cheekbones when I mew and I haveva solid suction hold.

Would you care to share the stretches? I was looking through the Doctor's blog but all I seem to find is a routing to be performed on infants.

Posted by: Manveer

Damn that’s confusing cause I feel a lot of pressure in my cheekbones when I mew and I haveva solid suction hold.

I haven't even thought about suction holding at all. I can very easily get the whole tongue up there with a chin tuck, and I have a high-arched palate. I think you should get the tongue tie released. I imagine that you might be able to mew up to a point and then your tether would prevent you from continuing, which you might misinterpret as having achieved the most you could.

Multiple people in this thread have said they have a bulge underneath their chin while hard mewing that went away when they chin tucked. I'm having some difficulty making this bulge under my chin go away while hard mewing. My guess is that I'm chin tucking incorrectly. I don't really feel any downward force exerted. Am I supposed to do the exercise where I try to get as many double chins as possible to chin tuck or is there a different way of holding a chin tuck that doesn't make you look ridiculous? I've watched Dr. Mew's videos on chin tucking and tried it out but it still doesn't seem to be working. Can anyone help me?

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Posted by: Sorrow

• can you see theres a whole inch where I can not put my tongue? Right behind thr incisors. I can put the tip there. but then the rest cant fit, so its either one way or another.
•  
• Hope this helps it is a little confusing to understand.

Just focus on engaging the posterior third. Don't worry about the front yet. I was in the same situation myself

Over time were you eventually able to put your tongue on the incisive papilla while keeping the posterior third up as well? What changed?

Ya I probably will honestly cause I want the best possible results. For me ya I have a solid suction hold and my posterior third is right against my palete. Plus I don’t think that I have that much of a downward growth maxilla because I always was a nose breather but my tongue wasnt fully on the palate maybe 3/4 or the way. Because of nose breathing I have a solid jawline but it could probably get better with chewing and having the tongue fully up on my plate. 

Dw you are probably doing it right. I had the buldge but a week later it went away from chin tucking. 

Posted by: Chazz

Multiple people in this thread have said they have a bulge underneath their chin while hard mewing that went away when they chin tucked. I'm having some difficulty making this bulge under my chin go away while hard mewing. My guess is that I'm chin tucking incorrectly. I don't really feel any downward force exerted. Am I supposed to do the exercise where I try to get as many double chins as possible to chin tuck or is there a different way of holding a chin tuck that doesn't make you look ridiculous? I've watched Dr. Mew's videos on chin tucking and tried it out but it still doesn't seem to be working. Can anyone help me?

You have to pull the back of your head up as you tuck to lengthen and pull your whole head up. I don't think you can do this without looking stupid. I usually do it in private while sitting on a hard flat surface while doing something else. The tuck itself will improve and look less stupid as your face remodels and your mandible upswings.

Your masseters are really big for real, do you chew with open mouth?

It's always worth pointing out that the chin tuck was NEVER promoted as "posture," either by Dr. Mew or by Robin McKenzie - it was always outlined as an EXERCISE. In McKenzie's book "Treat Your Own Neck" in which the chin tucks in question are introduced, the tucks are presented along with a number of other neck exercises for people with neck problems. At no time does he ever say that chin tucks are the way your neck should be held naturally. It's just an exercise to steer you towards the correct posture (which is somewhat less extreme and less ridiculous looking than a tuck). Another exercise he gives, for example, is to do the tuck and then bend the head backwards as far as it will go, while making little side to side movements as you do it. This one is really good too. 

Anyway this is the page in which McKenzie describes the chin tucks that are so talked about in the Mewing community: 

Posted by: AlphaMinus

 Another exercise he gives, for example, is to do the tuck and then bend the head backwards as far as it will go, while making little side to side movements as you do it. This one is really good too. 

 

I agree - this is a valuable complementary exercise to the chin tuck. Chin tuck goes well together with posterior tongue engagement, while the backwards bend you describe goes well together with anterior tongue engagement. I practice both movements every day. @ramont explained something similar here  /community/community/main-forum/why-chin-tuck/#post-13701

Posted by: AlphaMinus

It's always worth pointing out that the chin tuck was NEVER promoted as "posture," either by Dr. Mew or by Robin McKenzie - it was always outlined as an EXERCISE. In McKenzie's book "Treat Your Own Neck" in which the chin tucks in question are introduced, the tucks are presented along with a number of other neck exercises for people with neck problems. At no time does he ever say that chin tucks are the way your neck should be held naturally. It's just an exercise to steer you towards the correct posture (which is somewhat less extreme and less ridiculous looking than a tuck). Another exercise he gives, for example, is to do the tuck and then bend the head backwards as far as it will go, while making little side to side movements as you do it. This one is really good too. 

Anyway this is the page in which McKenzie describes the chin tucks that are so talked about in the Mewing community: 

 

Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering what possible reason there could be for the chin tuck to be used as posture, you look totally dumb when doing it. Thanks also for the page on the exercises. 

Posted by: Manveer

Dw you are probably doing it right. I had the buldge but a week later it went away from chin tucking. 

Yup, that's pretty much what happened.

do you have a better before shot? Even one from when you were 16 or 17? 

Also, do you have brothers? Could you post their photos as a genetic comparison (block the eyes for privacy)

How did you manage to lower your eyebrow(s)? In the before pic your eyebrow is way higher than in the after pic. Anything specific you did to achieve that or just growing up + "mewing"? 

post any new photos?

What do you think of this?

/community/community/main-forum/tracking-your-progress-via-photos-an-idea/

I think that's the last we're gonna see of this hero.

All the best Jamo, thanks for all your help!

Jamo my guy, where have have you been?

People still care too much about this post. The guy went from 15 to 21, no changes can be attributed to mewing in his case or anything else. it would be only my opinion to say chewing and head posture helped him. 

Did Jamo remove his pics 3 days ago? I was actually hoping he’d upload more. 

As much as I’d hope for a better before pic of his profile, I don’t even think I have a single photo of my profile from 15-18 yrs old. Perhaps he can upload before and after from the front?

Its interesting to note that his friends started noticing his face at 6 months of mewing and 3 months face pulling. I think face pulling is underestimated. He might feel it is not recommended but we can never know how much of his results came from this 3 month period, Mewing, or puberty for that matter. All we know is something definitely worked.

@WishIKnewSooner 

He posted this a while ago, but its still relevant. Face pulling, hard mewing, mastic gum, along with supplemenation of k2, d3, etc. 

http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/another-update-for-you-guys/

but where are the pictures?

Posted by: ihatemylife

It looks so fake obviously. Mewing can't do this.

It’s definitely the same person, if that’s what you mean.

Part of what you’re seeing is the different height and angles of the pictures. The before shot is taken at a lower height than his head, which makes the gonial angle appear greater than it was at the time. But his neck was also craned which makes it appear smaller. 

If you look in the after pic you’ll see how straight his neck is - it’s like even in a chin tuck his jaw is coming out horizontal. That to me shows significant upswing. And we can’t just call it puberty because puberty made my downswing worse.

can i chieve the same result? I have class 2 overjet.

@neveragain

do you drop your tongue when swallowing? could you please describe how you swallow?

Posted by: @jeanmacdougall

im sorry but i really cant see any progress here. the angles are way to different, impossible to see any difference in gonial angle, forward growth or cheekbones. your maxilla still looks pretty recessed too me. also in the second pic it looks like youre clenching your teeth. only definitive improvement i can see is in your chin, which looks like it protrudes a bit more now, but i would credit these changes to testosterone increase and such, ive seen similar changes myself even though ive been mouth breathing this whole time. 

your head and tongue posture looks amazing and your lips look like they have improved a lot. has your teeth changed?

This is probably because he did a lot of chewing. He said he developed a Class 2 bite from all of this

still the best ever mewing transformation